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re: CBS draft analyst has Milroe going second overall in first round behind Cam Ward
Posted on 1/19/25 at 11:53 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 1/19/25 at 11:53 am to JustGetItRight
Just to be blunt, Hurt’s was a coaches kid who very clearly understood the game and could throw over the middle/with anticipation. His issues were related to bad habits.
Milroe might as well have an empty void up there, he just doesn’t get it. I would be shocked if he’s not cut after two years on a roster.
The reality is that Milroe’s probably going to look like Nathan Peterman if he ever gets real snaps in a game
Milroe might as well have an empty void up there, he just doesn’t get it. I would be shocked if he’s not cut after two years on a roster.
The reality is that Milroe’s probably going to look like Nathan Peterman if he ever gets real snaps in a game
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 11:54 am
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Posted on 1/19/25 at 12:05 pm to UhOhOreo
quote:Do they still release Wonderlick scores?
I wouldn’t pay attention to any mocks until the combine finishes.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 12:17 pm to HarryBalzack
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Do they still release Wonderlick scores?
If they did Jalen Milroe’s would be high.
Just because you struggle processing at QB doesn't make you a dumb person.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 12:19 pm to YStar
Yep. He is very smart
Posted on 1/19/25 at 1:40 pm to YStar
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If they did Jalen Milroe’s would be high
YStar will be the first person to buy Milroe’s pro jersey.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 2:09 pm to UhOhOreo
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and could throw over the middle/with anticipation
Talk about revisionist history. The main complaint about Hurts during his first two years was his inability to throw over the middle. Everyone complained that “most of his passes are behind the line of scrimmage.”
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:59 pm to JustGetItRight
Hurt’s issue wasn’t throwing it over the middle, it was favoring the right side and being unable to push the ball downfield (10+ yards). The latter being why we did an aggressive amount of pop passes.
His biggest struggle was actually the deep left side of the field.
2016 passing chart;
He had a 67% completion rate over the middle and threw there just as often as every spot on the field besides the right flat, which he favored at a 3X rate because of said rollouts.
Here’s his 2017 tape against Clemson and you can see us run three slants in the first two drives, which weren’t a lost art like they were with Milroe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oVT1LYsBo
2017 it became even more favored on the right side (I can’t find the passing chart) because defenses caught on that all you had to do was load left, flush him out right, and have a bracket on the right side. You’d get a short dump off attempt into coverage, a scramble, or a throw out of bounds. He’d cut the field in half for you
His biggest struggle was actually the deep left side of the field.
2016 passing chart;
He had a 67% completion rate over the middle and threw there just as often as every spot on the field besides the right flat, which he favored at a 3X rate because of said rollouts.
Here’s his 2017 tape against Clemson and you can see us run three slants in the first two drives, which weren’t a lost art like they were with Milroe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oVT1LYsBo
2017 it became even more favored on the right side (I can’t find the passing chart) because defenses caught on that all you had to do was load left, flush him out right, and have a bracket on the right side. You’d get a short dump off attempt into coverage, a scramble, or a throw out of bounds. He’d cut the field in half for you
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:34 pm to JustGetItRight
And now that he's in NFL, he's essentially a game manager. Scared to take risks down the field.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:39 pm to Alfie Solomons
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YStar will be the first person to buy Milroe’s pro jersey.
Low IQ comment but not surprising you can't give something or someone credit while also being critical of what is wrong or what they do wrong.
Simple mind
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:03 pm to YStar
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If they did Jalen Milroe’s would be high.
Just because you struggle processing at QB doesn't make you a dumb person.
I guess we'll see. Just because you put in the effort to get it done in the classroom doesn't mean you're smart. Still commendable, but the idea that education = intellect is clearly proving to be false these days.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:18 pm to YStar
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Low IQ
IQ seems to have very little to do with sports success.
QBs that never miss a read. . .
Point guards or soccer playmakers that seem to know where every other player is on the field/court without looking. . .
are just as often the dumbest guys in the room.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:34 pm to wm72
It is commonly known across the NFL that Hurts struggles reading defenses and throwing in the middle of the field. Basically the same issues he had in college. And quite often you see him doing the same roll-out-to-the-right-and-chuck-it-out-of-bounds-to-avoid-a-loss thing he did so often at Alabama.
Yes, he has advanced from those days, but he is far from an elite passer in the league. And Jalen Milroe will be essentially the same type of player in the NFL, at most. And quite possibly a complete bust.
Yes, he has advanced from those days, but he is far from an elite passer in the league. And Jalen Milroe will be essentially the same type of player in the NFL, at most. And quite possibly a complete bust.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 6:18 am to imjustafatkid
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but the idea that education = intellect is clearly proving to be false these days.
I agree with this.
Especially with how our universities teach it is about information retention and then repeating/regurgitation for quizzes and exams.
Not to be offensive It's why many (especially women) do very well in the classroom then get shellshocked when they have to think outside the box and not just repeating something someone taught them in real life.
However playing QB (TE as well) is basically all about just that; memorizing plays, defensive responses and reactions to them which you are being taught.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:25 am to YStar
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Especially with how our universities teach it is about information retention and then repeating/regurgitation for quizzes and exams.
The modern-day system of "education" is a complete farce. Anyone who knows anything about what was taught in schools prior to the Rockefeller takeover of education is aware how much it has been dumbed-down to now a system of brainwashing the young to only be "smart" enough to perform their daily tasks in a workplace. The LAST thing the oligarchs want is a society full of people who can actually solve problems and think for themselves. Look at the schools that the ruling elite send their children to for the most part. This thing goes WAY deeper than most people care to consider.
I have a multi-great grandfather who was a literal genius in comparison to 99.99% of today's population. He was an early medical doctor who practiced out of his home and made home visits to others where he could. And he was a tremendously well-read gentleman with an extensive book collection and one of his outside fascinations was the study of geology. He also had an extensive rock collection.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:26 am to dominantD
My pawpaw made moonshine.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:33 am to Syd
None of us can pick our family. At least he was industrious and smart enough to generate an income outside the "system". 
Posted on 1/21/25 at 9:46 am to YStar
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However playing QB (TE as well) is basically all about just that; memorizing plays, defensive responses and reactions to them which you are being taught.
I'd argue it takes a lot of thinking on your feet.
I have no doubt Milroe knows our playback. He just didn't execute it well under pressure.
I'm just saying it wouldn't shock me for him to destroy the Wonderlic, but it also wouldn't shock me for him to bomb it. Like you illustrated, the way things are taught these days allows quite a few idiots to think they're geniuses with a resume that supports that lie.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/21/25 at 9:49 am to imjustafatkid
It takes most good/great NFL QBs several years to really master the art of playing the position at that level. This is what makes Jayden Daniels such a rare exception, but he is also an older, more mature guy who played a ton of college snaps and had lots of elite coaching/training before he got to the NFL.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 1:16 pm to dominantD
Most people who saw Daniels play in college realized he is the real deal, Milroe not so much. If Philadelphia beats Washington this week it will not be because of Hurts. If Washington wins it will be because of Daniels.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 2:25 pm to stewieie
Hurts is a great tough competitor but his team's success is due more to Stoutland and the play of that OL and run game the past several years. AJ is very frustrated and imagine what Smith could do in a better passing offense. He has done a better job this year of taking care of the ball and not forcing things.
As far as Milroe and his level of intelligence, it will rely more on his ability to process information quickly, read, and make adjustments. He's not shown that ability yet and doubt he will. McElroy was one of the smartest QBs to go through the eval process but it takes more than raw intelligence to be successful.
As far as Milroe and his level of intelligence, it will rely more on his ability to process information quickly, read, and make adjustments. He's not shown that ability yet and doubt he will. McElroy was one of the smartest QBs to go through the eval process but it takes more than raw intelligence to be successful.
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