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re: Boz, will you be at today’s scrimmage? (Redux)
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:27 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:27 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I do want to make something clear about our defense. They are very good but they are playing against an ELITE offense. I know we say that the people we face in practice are the best they will see all year, it’s actually true right now. I watched Tua throw a ball through a football size hole to Ruggs, it was unbelievable. I’m telling you, baring some crazy poor performance we are going to make a run.
Team will HAVE to back everyone out of the box against Tua and our OL and backs are elite.
I think the offense this year can match the offense under Carroll at USC in 2005. It has that kind of potential. The real star at the end of the season I think will be D Harris just like with R Bush at USC. The QB with 2 WRs either over or right at 1000yds kept the defense honest and let Bush run his way right into Heisman Trophy.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:41 pm to The Spleen
He looked outstanding in the scrimmage just has to stay healthy.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:48 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:Louisville just needs to prepare for tua either way. The key to defending hurts was known since the Clemson game, and every team used it against us last year. One deep safety, everybody else playing up, dbs don't get beat bad enough that Jalen actually notices your man is open, and everybody else just follow his eyes because you know he's going to look at one receiver and then run. That should take then about a minute to go over, and then spend the rest of the time in tua
I don't see one. It will be clear enough by the end of the Louisville game who the starter is.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:52 pm to Bham Bammer
I see your point Bammer but lets say Hypothetically, that Tua has clearly beaten out Jalen ( iDK) and then you play him some and Louisville doesn’t have a great defense and he makes some throws . Then what? Drag it out another week? I wish whomever has won the competition and the team as Saban says would be named the starter and not have to look over their shoulder and get the majority of the reps as Jalen did last year
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:20 pm to Bear88
I don’t think Coach Saban should announce the starter, but I also don’t think he should drag the competition into the season. Let’s be honest, Louisville is probably just preparing for Tua because if you prepare for him you’re already prepared for Jalen. As others have said, the formula to stop Jalen is obvious. Some teams don’t have the personnel to stop him from running, but preparation isn’t going to change that he’s just faster than your guys.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:50 pm to SabanTheConqueror
Meh, it's not that simple. Preparing for Jalen is different that preparing for Tua as far as formations go and schematics. I agree with what you're saying but I guarantee Louisville is pepping for both QBs and that's what Saban wants. I'm with you. I wish he would just name Tua but that's just me being a selfish fan...he has zero advantage in naming him right now.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:40 pm to GDOAT
The reason you don't announce the starter now is to make the defense have to prepare for the expectation of both. That cuts into prep time. One guy, you have to preach to the DL to stay in their rush lanes, don't go deeper than the QB, mush rush, having a spy, dropping 1 single high safety back, loading the box, making the QB hit outside throws on a consistent basis, etc. The other guy, you have to stay in coverage, get your hands up, drop 2 safeties deep because of a consistent pass threat, etc. Don't ever tip your hand too soon!!
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:04 pm to UAgrad93
At Bama you have to ride the thin line of playmaker qb when you need it ...and extremely limited turnovers with the fear of Saban to go along with that...hurts could not handle the pressure ..Saban breathing down his neck in his head and tua looking better in practice...his solution was pull through ball down..now that he's got nothing to lose he's pulling the trigger..but he can be great but he's going against a first ballot NFL hall of famer in tua
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:09 pm to SAINTS0321
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At Bama you have to ride the thin line of playmaker qb when you need it ...and extremely limited turnovers with the fear of Saban to go along with that...hurts could not handle the pressure ..Saban breathing down his neck in his head and tua looking better in practice...his solution was pull through ball down
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he's going against a first ballot NFL hall of famer in tua
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:41 pm to UAgrad93
Wewax guys. Saban knows that Saturday was against a defense that was not schemed to play Jalen. In a few weeks everyone will sit on the one receiver that he threw two tds to, Jalen won't make any reads, and then the offense will be done. To boot, Jalen will play most games like he did the first scrimmage.
TL/DR: JALEN AIN'T STARTIN'.
TL/DR: JALEN AIN'T STARTIN'.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 8:34 am to SAINTS0321
I still think that Hurts can be effective in the right style offense (I personally would hate to see him under center at Auburn for example). I don't think Daboll did us / him a ton of favors in how they tried to use him last year.
All that said, i still don't understand all the confusion and argument regarding the qb spot and this qb "competition". I feel great about the qb situation this year, better than I have in years, and the biggest concern people are voicing is that they are worried Saban is going to frick it up? Seems like an odd thing to worry about to me.
I am one of the people who think Saban by and large handled the qb situation correctly last year (not trying to get into a discussion about this, its been done to death) but I still always thought, even early in the season, that Tua would likely be the starter this year unless Hurts made some major leap - which did not happen.
All that said, i still don't understand all the confusion and argument regarding the qb spot and this qb "competition". I feel great about the qb situation this year, better than I have in years, and the biggest concern people are voicing is that they are worried Saban is going to frick it up? Seems like an odd thing to worry about to me.
I am one of the people who think Saban by and large handled the qb situation correctly last year (not trying to get into a discussion about this, its been done to death) but I still always thought, even early in the season, that Tua would likely be the starter this year unless Hurts made some major leap - which did not happen.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 8:50 am to Sneaky__Sally
Hurts having a good scrimmage, is a good thing in my mind. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm still hoping Saban will craft some sort of Leak/Tebow system where Tua is our starter, but we have a package for Jalen in each game. The guy is a sick athlete and would be very very effective in the Tebow role of the Leak/Tebow duo.
Plus defenses having to prepare for both QB's would make DC's heads explode. You prepare your defense for a pass-heavy Tua, and we bring in Jalen and run the read option and gash you to death. You prepare to load the box and Tua comes in and torches your secondary. Why not use both guys to make our offense even more dangerous?
Plus defenses having to prepare for both QB's would make DC's heads explode. You prepare your defense for a pass-heavy Tua, and we bring in Jalen and run the read option and gash you to death. You prepare to load the box and Tua comes in and torches your secondary. Why not use both guys to make our offense even more dangerous?
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 8:59 am to tider04
It’s hard to get in a rhythm constantly going in and out and timing with receivers etc, plus I don’t think Saban truly believes in a 2 qb system . Heck he hardly puts the backup in unless it is garbage time( Tua got more pt than most have under Saban). I might could see short yardage or goal line package for him but not much more if Tua starts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:20 am to Bear88
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It’s hard to get in a rhythm constantly going in and out and timing with receivers etc, plus I don’t think Saban truly believes in a 2 qb system . Heck he hardly puts the backup in unless it is garbage time( Tua got more pt than most have under Saban). I might could see short yardage or goal line package for him but not much more if Tua starts
I'm not advocating a 50/50 split. Tua would be the starer and would take 80-90% of the snaps each game. Jalen would come in much like Tebow did in 2006 for goal-line, short-yardage and maybe a couple of other scenarios where his superior athleticism would be an asset. Probably won't happen, but it can work in the right situation.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:24 am to tider04
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Why not use both guys to make our offense even more dangerous?
To be frank, because our offense is most dangerous with Tua in the game. I’m not denying the skill set that hurts has, but we are a more dangerous team with a good passer back there. When Jalen is in the game, defenses can key on the run. I can’t think of any situation that I’d prefer Jalen in over Tua. Tua isn’t a bad runner at all, so even if we rant to run the QB, leaving him in there isn’t bad because there’s the threat of a pass.
I’d love to see Jalen find a role, but I don’t want to see us square peg it because he’s a good kid. I would just rather the best player play. We know what the offense looks like with Tua under center and we know what it looks like with Jalen under center. I don’t think inserting Jalen back there makes us any more dangerous. There’s two years of tape on him and the league has figured him out.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:34 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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To be frank, because our offense is most dangerous with Tua in the game. I’m not denying the skill set that hurts has, but we are a more dangerous team with a good passer back there. When Jalen is in the game, defenses can key on the run. I can’t think of any situation that I’d prefer Jalen in over Tua. Tua isn’t a bad runner at all, so even if we rant to run the QB, leaving him in there isn’t bad because there’s the threat of a pass.
I’d love to see Jalen find a role, but I don’t want to see us square peg it because he’s a good kid. I would just rather the best player play. We know what the offense looks like with Tua under center and we know what it looks like with Jalen under center. I don’t think inserting Jalen back there makes us any more dangerous. There’s two years of tape on him and the league has figured him out.
Nailed it.
Jalen might be a slightly better runner, but he's not a better runner against a stacked box than Tua is against deep safeties.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:39 am to Teague
Why do you need a running quarterback when you have a stable of elite running backs. Amiright? Oh yeah! Fist bump!
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:01 am to tider04
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Plus defenses having to prepare for both QB's would make DC's heads explode. You prepare your defense for a pass-heavy Tua, and we bring in Jalen and run the read option and gash you to death.
Sounds good but I haven't seen Jalen run the read option well yet, emphasis on the read.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:07 am to tider04
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Hurts having a good scrimmage, is a good thing in my mind. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm still hoping Saban will craft some sort of Leak/Tebow system where Tua is our starter, but we have a package for Jalen in each game. The guy is a sick athlete and would be very very effective in the Tebow role of the Leak/Tebow duo. Plus defenses having to prepare for both QB's would make DC's heads explode. You prepare your defense for a pass-heavy Tua, and we bring in Jalen and run the read option and gash you to death. You prepare to load the box and Tua comes in and torches your secondary. Why not use both guys to make our offense even more dangerous?
I'm mixed on this - if a qb is playing well and we are running a good offense, I'm not a fan of mixing it up like that. But Hurts abilities could make some sort of red zone / mix-up package a nightmare and also give defenses more to prepare for. Good problems to have IMO.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:09 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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quote:Why not use both guys to make our offense even more dangerous? To be frank, because our offense is most dangerous with Tua in the game. I’m not denying the skill set that hurts has, but we are a more dangerous team with a good passer back there. When Jalen is in the game, defenses can key on the run. I can’t think of any situation that I’d prefer Jalen in over Tua. Tua isn’t a bad runner at all, so even if we rant to run the QB, leaving him in there isn’t bad because there’s the threat of a pass. I’d love to see Jalen find a role, but I don’t want to see us square peg it because he’s a good kid. I would just rather the best player play. We know what the offense looks like with Tua under center and we know what it looks like with Jalen under center. I don’t think inserting Jalen back there makes us any more dangerous. There’s two years of tape on him and the league has figured him out.
Agree with all this but one benefit of Hurts in a short yardage / redzone package would be that tua doesn't have to take those hits if we are trying to use the qb to run it in. I'm confident the coaching staff will fiend the right balance.
If Hurts has a package, I only see it in short yardage situations where the box is already going to be stacked - probably only really goal line type stuff cause Tua's throwing ability can easily turn a short yardage situation in the middle of the field a TD if the other defense tries to load up too much.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 10:12 am
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