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re: Boz please help us Bams understand what is going on in Ttown
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:08 pm to prevatt33
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:08 pm to prevatt33
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Face it. Our Special Teams were awful this year overall. Didn't we shatter the missed XP record?
Don’t we seem to have some kind of kicking issue or special team issue in general almost every season? Granted I think kicking issues go back to my time in the early 2000’s!
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:10 pm
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:11 pm to Tider95
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How do you do that when there is no threat of benching or any real consequences for not doing what your are supposed to do?
Relate to the kid if he truly wants to be the best he needs to adapt and grow. FFS in the NFL you have dual coverages running at the same time which change after the snap.
This kid is making one coverage which changes after the snap turn him from Joe Montana to fricking Joe Flacco.
If he truly wants to be great, you appeal to that side of him.. it ain't that hard.
I'm a testament to that.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:12 pm to YStar
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They just knew Tua rarely makes a second choice read after his initial pre-snap look. Easy to bait him to throw in the middle when he's playing arrogant overestimating his abilities.
This is horseshite. He got baited some for sure but Tua goes to a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th choice all the time. His big mistakes at the end of the year were in the few times he did make a decision before the snap and threw it even though it was well covered or when he tried to force the ball down the field when nothing was open. Tua is phenomenal at reading the defense. His area of opportunity is learning to tuck and run or throw it away if no one is open.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:12 pm to CrimsonBoz
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5 red zone drives and 0 points.
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5 red zone drives
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0 points.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:13 pm to YStar
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If he truly wants to be great, you appeal to that side of him.. it ain't that hard.
I'm a testament to that.
You are saying Tua was incredibly stubborn and would not change, instead of defaulting into bad habits. You can't possibly know what Enos did or did not do to try and get Tua to do as he was taught.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:13 pm to YStar
Also, Saban never seemed to have that player on defense that he connected with. It always seems like he has one player on the field that has his mentality and focus but no one this year seemed to be that "coach on the field" like Minkah, Ro, Ragland, and others.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:16 pm to YStar
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It's the position coach's job to relate the information, coach the kid up and get the player on the right page in order to follow the execution necessary for success.
I get that Tua was feeling himself, but it was up to Enos to knock him down a peg and get him to buy into what they were teaching.
Enos didn't.
In fairness, position coaches are not controlling the players like string puppets, or with an PS4 controller. This isn't Madden.
And I don't mean that as hyperbole. Many fans put far too much blame on coaches some times, when they are just coaching.
"Coaching"
Think about that word outside of sports. A coach is a person who helps (through instruction) a person improve a behavior or activity, but it is still the responsibility of that person himself to go do it. And that person (the coachee) has 100% control over the thing, and the coach exists only as an interested spectator.
Has anyone here ever played NCAA or Madden and just called the plays. Like literally just call it and let the computer run the play? You can play a whole season like that. And it sucks. You call some stuff that you know would work if you had been controlling the guy, but what should've been a 20 yard gain was a 7 yard loss, and you reset the damn playstation out of fury.
That's what it's like to coach. They're not gods.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:16 pm to jryanw
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This is horse shite. He got baited some for sure but Tua goes to a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th choice all the time. His big mistakes at the end of the year were in the few times he did make a decision before the snap and threw it even though it was well covered or when he tried to force the ball down the field when nothing was open. Tua is phenomenal at reading the defense. His area of opportunity is learning to tuck and run or throw it away if no one is open.
This is why I don't like talking football at times here. You don't know what you're talking about yet you're angry and coming in at me hot.
What the hell do you think being "baited" means? When he "forced" it why did he originally think there was an opening?
They knew he was overconfident and "baited" him no differently then they bait QBs in the league. Change coverage after snap. They knew he liked deep and middle, they show man and middle open, after snap they roll to the middle to confuse him. Kirby got his first INT in the SEC game from that... Irv Smith read the defense on his option and ran the flag, Tua expected man (middle open) and threw the seam. That's just another example.
It's why during the Clemson post game interview Tua was very disappointed saying they didn't do anything that special and that it was his fault.
They didn't.
They just used his hubris against him (and us).
Anyways, I'm done with the topic. I actually know what I am talking about having played at every level. You're not going to understand or agree with me because I'm not praising the kid so lets leave it at that.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:19 pm to YStar
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Anyways, I'm done with the topic. I actually know what I am talking about and have played at every level. You're not going to understand ot agree with me because I'm not praising the kid so lets leave it at that.
I don't agree with you because for someone who "played at every level" you sure seem to make a lot of assumptions about the program and actual modern best practice in football. You playing football gives you no special aura of rightness
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:20 pm to YStar
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Untrue. He struggled this year when pressured.
According to ESPN, it was true; during the run-up to the game, they reported that his QBR against blitzes was through the roof...his QBR against pressure with no blitzing was not good...
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:23 pm to Tider95
What it gives me is understanding of what happens before the snap and after.
This chess match (checkers in college) is why Tua had struggles from MSU onward.
Anyways, my words are wasted. Enjoy the rest of your day
This chess match (checkers in college) is why Tua had struggles from MSU onward.
Anyways, my words are wasted. Enjoy the rest of your day
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:23 pm to OldPete
I understand the impulse to blitz him to try and change things up, but just in terms of his abilities this season, the blitz was not some magic bullet against him.
QBR isn't the end all be all, but ND had success when they didnt have to bring more then 4-5 and got pressure, the few times they brought more than that Lawrence tore them apart.
QBR isn't the end all be all, but ND had success when they didnt have to bring more then 4-5 and got pressure, the few times they brought more than that Lawrence tore them apart.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:25 pm to YStar
You said :
And that's just not true. Does he make mistakes? Yes absolutely. Did they hurt us bad in the Championship Game? Definitely. Does this have to do with Tua not being willing to go to his 2,3, or 4th option? No not at all. In fact Juedy was his 2nd or 3rd option on the long int. I'm sure if you have played in the NFL that you know football but Tuas problem is not pre snap reads. In fact that one of his best traits. His problem is not throwing the ball away when the defense has the play well covered. Early in the season, before the multiple injuries to his legs, it didn't matter because when it wasn't there he took off or got out of the pocket and played "backyard football" until someone got open. Once he lost some of his mobility he started to turn it over because he rarely throws the ball into the stands.
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Tua rarely makes a second choice read after his initial pre-snap look
And that's just not true. Does he make mistakes? Yes absolutely. Did they hurt us bad in the Championship Game? Definitely. Does this have to do with Tua not being willing to go to his 2,3, or 4th option? No not at all. In fact Juedy was his 2nd or 3rd option on the long int. I'm sure if you have played in the NFL that you know football but Tuas problem is not pre snap reads. In fact that one of his best traits. His problem is not throwing the ball away when the defense has the play well covered. Early in the season, before the multiple injuries to his legs, it didn't matter because when it wasn't there he took off or got out of the pocket and played "backyard football" until someone got open. Once he lost some of his mobility he started to turn it over because he rarely throws the ball into the stands.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:26 pm to YStar
Down goes Frazier
Down goes Frazier
I am in the camp that #13 really got full of himself. He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
Down goes Frazier
I am in the camp that #13 really got full of himself. He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:27 pm to VATIDE17
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Don’t we seem to have some kind of kicking issue or special team issue in general almost every season?
Not really. We've had some intermittent inconsistency at Kicker at times, but we powered through to find our spot inside the bell curve's normal most years. We even excelled at times during the inconsistency, and have also had a number of years under Saban with stellar kicking.
We also just had the best punter in Bama history for a spell, and our punting was pretty good before him.
We've also had a really great run of good long snappers during Saban's tenure.
And we usually don't give up too much in the way of returns either.
Our special teams has been above average as a group under Saban's tenure, but a short string of years with some kicking inconsistency bottomed out with a year of abject failure.
Punting took a big step back with the new kid, but we found a passable workaround with the other guy. I don't believe that to be a trend.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:27 pm to Bham Bammer
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There was a lot of tumult internally leading up to the playoff games. Stuff going on in practices and in the locker room that should not be tolerated
Boz, did you hear anything about a fight between R. Davis and Womack with J. Williams getting involved after a practice leading up to the championship game?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:27 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
Maybe he should do Jalen's pistols
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:29 pm to prevatt33
It's all recency bias with special teams. There is little else for the media to latch onto with bama, so the second a kicker isn't perfect the jokes and articles about "another bama kicker" come out.
This year was bad from the Pk and Punting was passable, but as you said that is far from a trend. The reality is very few teams have a good-great kicker and punter at the same time, in fact normally at least one is mediocre to average. Alabama just appears to not be immune to this, something the fans aren't used to compared to the rest of the roster.
This year was bad from the Pk and Punting was passable, but as you said that is far from a trend. The reality is very few teams have a good-great kicker and punter at the same time, in fact normally at least one is mediocre to average. Alabama just appears to not be immune to this, something the fans aren't used to compared to the rest of the roster.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:32 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
Come on man, he's just having fun and we want him confident. We just don't want him overconfident where he starts gambling instead of doing as he taught.
We love him for that 2nd and 26, but go back and look at that play. There is another example of Tua making up his mind where he is throwing the ball before the snap and forcing it.
We were lucky he made a perfect throw, the safety followed his eyes and Devonta made an amazing catch.
However if you watch the play again you would see their safeties were playing deep and gave us the middle. Irv Smith was open on a deep drag. Damien Harris was also open on the checkdown.
The kid is insanely talented but blindly relying on talent gets you beat against good defensive coordinators.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:35 pm to prevatt33
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Our special teams has been above average as a group under Saban's tenure, but a short string of years with some kicking inconsistency bottomed out with a year of abject failure.
Punting took a big step back with the new kid, but we found a passable workaround with the other guy. I don't believe that to be a trend.
Fair enough. I might be too focused on the kicking woes aspect and the expectation that it could be much better. However all valid points on the other elements of ST.
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