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Bama won NCs in spite of Golding

Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:27 am
Posted by Shocco
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:27 am
Goldings numbers look descent because of the talent he was surrounded by and the system he was in. The Mark Richt of DCs....But once he wasn't protected by a decent OC, his true colors started getting exposed. Even on the years we won a NC, the defenses weren't great, the offenses were just amazingly spectacular.

Everyone uses Bama like a coaching Wal-Mart to pick and choose coaches. No one was beating down the door to hire Golding and other fan bases wanted us to keep him........The cherry on top was his whole 'look'. He looked like an extra from "Animal House".
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:16 am to
Defensive performance numbers pumped up vs weak opponents.

#Hobbit/TtownDrunk
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by Chad4Bama
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:37 am to
Wasn't there only 1 NC with Golding as DC?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:44 pm to
Yes, 1 NC under Golding.

But I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Golding's defenses had some really good games. That's a fact. All of Saban's defenses have been full of talent. Not sure why you would hold that against them and not the other DCs. Those other DCs also had games where the defense gave up 40+ points.

Golding's problem was that his defense regressed significantly this season against some really big, reasonable expectations. His defensive sets and calls were mind boggling. Players that had balled out in 21 and 20 looked like worse players in 22, a lot of that due to Golding basically neutralizing them.

All of that was unacceptable, which is why all of us wanted him gone.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:05 pm to
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Even on the years we won a NC, the defenses weren't great,


This is stupid. His only NC came against the only all P5 schedule in history. Was the only team to ever play 11 conference games, and beat 3 top 5 teams.

His defense finished ranked 13th in cfb against that schedule. It was a damn good defense.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:08 pm to
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Golding's problem was that his defense regressed significantly this season against some really big, reasonable expectations.

Agree. I was fine with Golding until this year; the defense disappeared at times and seemed lost at other times…and it’s the first time I felt a change was needed. That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ole Miss defense improves significantly under Golding…

As for our championships (3 SEC, 1 natty), like him or not, he contributed. For our historic run in 2020, other than two games (Ole Miss, UF), the defensive play was very good. The defense against Ohio State in the CFP championship was excellent.

I like Pruitt and, if he indeed is the hire, hope he brings back a more attacking style; if so, I also hope he’s held to the same standard as Golding has been. Everyone praises Pruitt’s 2016 defense and it was very good; but the defense that year also gave up three 30+ point games, three 400+ yard passing games, and two 500+ total yard games. One of the 400 yard passing games was against Chad freakin’ Allen; despite all the talent we had on D that year, and there was a lot, we got torched in those three games defensively…

Personally, I thought Pruitt’s D in 2017 was better as a team and hope to see a return more towards that standard, no matter who’s DC…but with the rules so slanted towards offense, that may be a pipe dream…
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:41 pm to
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Golding's defenses had some really good games. That's a fact


What's one occasion where a Golding defense had a "really good game" against a competent opponent? The only times they looked decent to me were against bottom feeders like Mississippi State.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:15 pm to
'21 SECCG
'21 Playoff first round
'21 Ole Miss
'20 UGA
'20 National Championship game

Just off the top of my head
Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
1525 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:41 pm to
Stats can be argued and used to paint about any picture. But I believe the talent and/or offense helped tremendously to bail him out. I see a completely different take on Golding. His playcalling and use of players was just bizarre at times. ......Golding's time at Ole Miss will give us a clear picture of what he can do at a team without 5 star talent.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 4:47 pm
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 5:21 pm to
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Stats can be argued and used to paint about any picture. But I believe the talent and/or offense helped tremendously to bail him out.

So talent and/or offense never bailed out Pruitt or Smart, only Golding?
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9424 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:12 pm to
Sure. But, Pruitt and Smart outcoached competent offensive coaches more than not. I don't believe Pete outcoached one competent offensive coach while having what I believe was the most talented roster of defensive players over 5 seasons.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 6:13 pm
Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
1525 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:15 pm to
Just my opinion of course, but the defense has steadily went down ever since Golding arrived.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9424 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:20 pm to
Our defense went from proactive to reactive under Golding. Win or lose before Golding we were going to hit the opponent first.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
This side of eternity
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Our defense went from proactive to reactive under Golding. Win or lose before Golding we were going to hit the opponent first.


I haven't thought about it like that but I agree.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5150 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:53 pm to
I wouldn't call any of those really good.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:59 pm to
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I don't believe Pete outcoached one competent offensive coach

I think UGA’s defense would disagree with you that Ryan Day is not a competent offensive coach…
Posted by ChromaticTide
Member since Dec 2021
892 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:42 pm to
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His defense finished ranked 13th in cfb against that schedule. It was a damn good defense.

13th is a "damn good defense"?

My how the standards have fallen at Alabama. I remember when our defense ranked top 5 in every category every single year. I remember when our defense used to be as dominant as Georgia's has been lately.

I remember when Pruitt fielded what I think was the best defense in college football history.

Now we're talking about the crowning achievement of the Golding era being he had a top 15 defense. Wow...

Some of you are about to be reminded what it's like to actually have a defense.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5753 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 4:57 am to
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What's one occasion where a Golding defense had a "really good game" against a competent opponent? The only times they looked decent to me were against bottom feeders like Mississippi State.


People seem to forget about that 2019 game in Auburn, a 48-45 loss, where they could absolutely not stop an average AU offense.
It was a lot like this past season’s game with UT.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:07 am to
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People seem to forget about that 2019 game in Auburn, a 48-45 loss, where they could absolutely not stop an average AU offense. It was a lot like this past season’s game with UT.

While our defense was atrocious in the Tennessee game this season, those two games were nothing alike:

UT’s O dropped 52 points on us, AU’s O 31 (Mac Jones threw 2 pick sixes and the refs gifted AU a FG right before halftime).

UT had around 560 total yards, AU had around 350…

Hooker threw for over 380 yards, completing nearly 70% of his passes, while Bo Nix had just over 170 yards and was right at 50%…

The only thing in common those 2 games had, as far as our defense goes, was that our run defense sucked as both teams rushed for about 180 yards…
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5753 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:25 pm to
[quote]The only thing in common those 2 games had, as far as our defense goes, was that our run defense sucked as both teams rushed for about 180 yards…[/quote

Could not get a stop when they needed it. Took the lead and AU went right down the field like a warm knife through butter to score a TD…48-45.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:27 pm
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