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Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:11 pm to Bama72
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:11 pm to Bama72
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If you look at last years film, the defense was still getting signals when the ball was snapped. For the first half, they were seldom ready when the ball was snapped. I'm sure this year will be different, even if we have to play basic defenses most of the time.
What makes you think this year will be different when it's already happened a lot this year?
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:26 pm to angryslugs
Interesting note from Cubelic at the end of the first hour this morning with him and G Mac. Said he had a convo with Golding before the game about DL depth.
Golding said they really like Mathis. DJ Dale and Eboigbe are solid. Young is really talented by freelances too much.
Beyond that he said basically nobody is ready to contribute right now. They think Smith is going to be very good down the road, but nobody else is really even close to being able to give meaningful snaps right now. Everyone else is garbage time only.
That really stinks considering Dale and Eboigbe aren't even what I would call "good" players. They are "ok" players at most.
So really what we thought was going to be a deep 7-9 man unit coming into the year is actually like 4-5 guys. Not even a full 2 wave rotation.
We are really missing production from Ray and Wynn. Wynn is a lost cause in year 4. We just have to hope Ray gets healthy and is the same guy, or one of the 2nd year players like Smith, Burroughs, or Latham breaks through.
Not groundbreaking stuff but it’s interesting to hear it coming right from Pete.
Golding said they really like Mathis. DJ Dale and Eboigbe are solid. Young is really talented by freelances too much.
Beyond that he said basically nobody is ready to contribute right now. They think Smith is going to be very good down the road, but nobody else is really even close to being able to give meaningful snaps right now. Everyone else is garbage time only.
That really stinks considering Dale and Eboigbe aren't even what I would call "good" players. They are "ok" players at most.
So really what we thought was going to be a deep 7-9 man unit coming into the year is actually like 4-5 guys. Not even a full 2 wave rotation.
We are really missing production from Ray and Wynn. Wynn is a lost cause in year 4. We just have to hope Ray gets healthy and is the same guy, or one of the 2nd year players like Smith, Burroughs, or Latham breaks through.
Not groundbreaking stuff but it’s interesting to hear it coming right from Pete.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:34 pm to angryslugs
Positive thinking? Wishful thinking? LOL
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:35 pm to Crimson77
I agree with what you were saying. Maybe Ray comes around since he was playing Saturday.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:40 pm to Crimson77
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Interesting note from Cubelic at the end of the first hour this morning with him and G Mac. Said he had a convo with Golding before the game about DL depth.
Golding said they really like Mathis. DJ Dale and Eboigbe are solid. Young is really talented by freelances too much.
Beyond that he said basically nobody is ready to contribute right now. They think Smith is going to be very good down the road, but nobody else is really even close to being able to give meaningful snaps right now. Everyone else is garbage time only.
I dont recall Cubelic saying all that. I recall he said that golding said some of the younger guys were more talented than the veterans but that they were still learning the system. Nothing about nobody else being close to being ready.
Tim Smith contributed last year. He's ready to at least have the same role he did last year.
How many DL do you think we need? We only have two of them on the field a lot of times.
The most interesting thing about Ray is his body has really changed since his freshman year. He's much more of a DE than a DT, imo.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:45 pm to Crimson77
Problem is that Golding is wrong. If we'd run the right defense and simplify it, we could use the depth we have.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 2:45 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Just amazing how in year 2 or 3 for some guys we are “learning the system” whereas freshman seem to learn the system quicker at other schools on the DL and we end up getting
1-2 years production
1-2 years production
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:02 pm to Bama72
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Positive thinking? Wishful thinking? LOL
Keep them positive vibes going my man!
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:11 pm to DT55Forever1
Do we really think that Golding (or any other assistant coach) makes unilateral decisions without the "OK" from Coach Saban? I am sure he approves game plans of both coordinators before hand.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:13 pm to Bear88
Well, some catch on quicker than others. Some never catch on. Burroughs does show some promising upside.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:15 pm to Bama72
I don’t believe that Golding is very good at communicating with the players. He and Saban can agree to whatever, but it seems to get lost in translation, by the time it reaches the players. Especially the inside linebackers
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:25 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
On tv they quoted one of our coaches saying Tim Smith is not ready yet. We basically have 2 linemen (not including 31) that can sometimes disrupt the QB. The other two hold their place. So, I guess they hold their lane. That is the problem with those younger guys and the reason the QB ran wild when they came in the game Saturday. During the game, Cublic said something about Golding saying our linebacker has to get us in a play (coverage), even if its the wrong coverage its better than having no play called. And, again Pete Golding is not running his defense. Its Saban's defense. Its just crazy to think otherwise. We are running the same version we ran when Pruit was here. That is how Henry T showed up and caught on to it so fast. Saban was asked by the press before the season if he had talked to Henry T about the defense they were running at UT. Saban said no I have not discussed that with him. I know what defense they were running. I have seen it on film.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:30 pm to Cobrasize
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I don’t believe that Golding is very good at communicating with the players. He and Saban can agree to whatever, but it seems to get lost in translation, by the time it reaches the players. Especially the inside linebackers
I think this has alot to do with it.
Also, I think the fact that we run a very complicated NFL combo defense doesn't lend itself to younger guys stepping right in to provide the depth we need. With the style of offenses we face now, I would like to see it simplified to allow for added depth.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:30 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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I dont recall Cubelic saying all that. I recall he said that golding said some of the younger guys were more talented than the veterans but that they were still learning the system. Nothing about nobody else being close to being ready.
Just re-listened to the podcast version, here's the exact way it was put
"There's not 3-4 guys that are ready to come in and start getting meaningful snaps. So the rotation kind of is what it is right now"
(discussion about Mathis, Dale, Eboigbe, Young, and Smith as in previous post)
"I said who's next and he's like 'huh? I don't know if we have the next guy yet. We're kind of waiting on some guys to come around.'"
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Tim Smith contributed last year. He's ready to at least have the same role he did last year.
I hope so. Frankly he's looked worse this year than last.
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How many DL do you think we need? We only have two of them on the field a lot of times.
Cole's point, which I agree with, is that we need more. The rotation we were using (essentially 4.5 guys as discussed above) was gassed at the end of the Florida game after 70 plays. Ole Miss and others will run more plays than that, with less time between every play. Realistically I think we probably need 6, maybe 7 guys to stay as fresh as you can reasonably hope for throughout the game.
The other issue right now is the lack of guys who can actually make a big impact in the game. Mathis can do that to an extent. Young flashes but makes mistakes. Dale and Eboigbe will never be that guy. We don't just need more guys who can be trusted to take snaps in competitive games, we need one of these guys to emerge as an actual top quality player.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:42 pm to Crimson77
It's been said (I think even by Saban) "Good is the enemy of great." Saban doesn't want someone "good enough" on any given play; he wants someone who can (and probably will) be "great" on any given play.
The downside to that is, a player -- especially a defensive lineman -- who could be great for the first 40 or 50 snaps starts to degrade significantly after that, because he just doesn't have much gas left in the tank. At that point, his "great" could be significantly less than another player's "good."
Combine that with the possibility that Golding isn't particularly good at communicating with the players (a theory I now believe, incidentally), and you have a situation where a small handful of players are trusted to run the defensive scheme correctly. They get worn down, though, and we don't want to sub in somebody else, because they "don't know what to do."
It's a self-defeating system if you're in a game where the opposing offense is able to run a lot of plays.
The downside to that is, a player -- especially a defensive lineman -- who could be great for the first 40 or 50 snaps starts to degrade significantly after that, because he just doesn't have much gas left in the tank. At that point, his "great" could be significantly less than another player's "good."
Combine that with the possibility that Golding isn't particularly good at communicating with the players (a theory I now believe, incidentally), and you have a situation where a small handful of players are trusted to run the defensive scheme correctly. They get worn down, though, and we don't want to sub in somebody else, because they "don't know what to do."
It's a self-defeating system if you're in a game where the opposing offense is able to run a lot of plays.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:57 pm to Sauron
A question I have about he Dline, would it be better to play those guys who are a little marginal earlier in the game so that the front line guys are not gassed at the end of the game. I would thik it would unless they really feel those guys will blow it big time. The question I guess is, would you rather gave your top guys playing 50 of the snaps but all fresh, and the marginal guys 25 of the snaps, as opposed to 50 fresh snaps from the front line guys and then 25 snaps form the front line guys while they are gassed.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 4:21 pm to IB4bama
Absolutely correct.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 5:05 pm to Bama72
Posted on 9/27/21 at 6:19 pm to Crimson Wraith
Posted on 9/27/21 at 7:02 pm to Bear88
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Just amazing how in year 2 or 3 for some guys we are “learning the system” whereas freshman seem to learn the system quicker at other schools on the DL and we end up getting 1-2 years production
Especially a guy like Byron Young, who got meaningful PT as a true freshman due to injuries and depth issues.
The fact we still have depth issues on the DL, which was supposed to be a deep, experienced unit at this point; is very alarming.
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