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Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:47 pm to tider04
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:47 pm to tider04
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But the fact that he’s still sending those messages a few days before game week is a little concerning.
You seem disappointed that everyone else hasn't also chosen to worry about Saban challenging some players via his press conference(s).
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:05 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Oh look, it's Nebraska.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:43 pm to TidalSurge1
Yeah I’m not really alarmed by the press conference at all. Things seem to have been going well through camp. Back of half of week 3 is an awkward and hard time for the players. They’ve been practicing hard, in the hottest weather of the year, full contact, for almost a month… and it’s still not game week. Saban is just saying they need to push through and give great effort even though everybody is drained.
I do think by the sounds of it he’s not thrilled by the TE room. Frankly… we really don’t need TEs to be amazing to succeed, that’s just not the system we run. If they can block competently and make simple plays catching a couple balls a game we’re good. Billingsley would be great to have for certain matchups (Clemson), but we’ll be alright.
To me it just sounds like what we’re used to hearing about the defense for the last three years, we’re now hearing about the offense. It’s a work in progress, young players, need to learn the scheme, need to develop chemistry, etc. I think offense will probably take half the season to get really cranked up but the talent is good enough that if it never fully clicks it can only be because 1) BOB is a bust; 2) Bryce is mediocre; 3) Marrone can’t put together a competent OLine. Generally though, there’s so much talent that there’s no excuses for the offense to not be at least top 10 or 15 by mid season. We are loaded with studs at every position. Just need to get to that point where it starts rolling unscathed…
I do think by the sounds of it he’s not thrilled by the TE room. Frankly… we really don’t need TEs to be amazing to succeed, that’s just not the system we run. If they can block competently and make simple plays catching a couple balls a game we’re good. Billingsley would be great to have for certain matchups (Clemson), but we’ll be alright.
To me it just sounds like what we’re used to hearing about the defense for the last three years, we’re now hearing about the offense. It’s a work in progress, young players, need to learn the scheme, need to develop chemistry, etc. I think offense will probably take half the season to get really cranked up but the talent is good enough that if it never fully clicks it can only be because 1) BOB is a bust; 2) Bryce is mediocre; 3) Marrone can’t put together a competent OLine. Generally though, there’s so much talent that there’s no excuses for the offense to not be at least top 10 or 15 by mid season. We are loaded with studs at every position. Just need to get to that point where it starts rolling unscathed…
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:13 am to Crimson77
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I do think by the sounds of it he’s not thrilled by the TE room. Frankly… we really don’t need TEs to be amazing to succeed, that’s just not the system we run. If they can block competently and make simple plays catching a couple balls a game we’re good. Billingsley would be great to have for certain matchups (Clemson), but we’ll be alright.
Disagree, at least early.
Billingsley and Latu were supposed to be a strength and a safety blanket for Bryce to build around while the WR group gelled.
If they aren’t in sync that puts more pressure on Metchie who has never faced double coverage to shoulder the load while the offense tries to figure itself out.
Especially troubling if the OL is banged up making it harder to just rely on the run game.
I agree that the offense might not be what we thought, at least for the first few games unless Williams or someone steps up right away.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 5:18 am to Snout Spout
White helmets should only be worn with all white road uni's.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:13 am to Crimson Wraith
No houndstooth?
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:25 am to tider04
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timing issues in the passing game
This is what has me concerned. Regardless of what you thought about Tua and Mac's strengths, the absolutely most valuable thing they did was hit receivers and backs in stride and with anticipation.
I don't care how good Bryce can spin it or how athletic he is to extend plays, that one thing can be the difference between a championship and a runner-up.
As much as we loved Jalen Hurts, he struggled hitting folks in stride. I think that is what Saban is talking about here.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:54 am to CrimsonCoast
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We want to continue to try to develop the kind of timing in the passing game that we need with the new receivers, with the people in the passing game to do the little things right so we can be a little more accurate, a little more consistent
Wanting them to keep on developing and be more consistent and do the small things doesn’t sound like bad timing problems to me
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:57 am to CrimsonCoast
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This is what has me concerned. Regardless of what you thought about Tua and Mac's strengths, the absolutely most valuable thing they did was hit receivers and backs in stride and with anticipation.
I don't care how good Bryce can spin it or how athletic he is to extend plays, that one thing can be the difference between a championship and a runner-up.
Everyone is just going to have to realize that Mac and Tua were elite, cream of the crop QBs with veteran, elite receivers for the last 2 seasons. Bryce (and most other QBs) will not be as good as consistently as Tua and Mac were at it. Especially not early in his career. And add on top of that we will be breaking in 2-3 young (true freshmen) receivers.
Anyone expecting that is going to be disappointed. We're going to have more 3 and outs because we missed an open receiver or threw behind a guy or something than we had last year. Everyone just has to understand that and not lose their mind when it happens, because we got really spoiled for a few years.
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 7:59 am
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:58 am to Vidic
Saban said this back in October 2020:
What he has been saying lately isn't any different from what he has been saying over the year. Same coach, different players each year.
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Saban reiterated that some players need to “learn how to learn" and take coaching to improve. “In some cases, I think when we correct players, I don’t even know if they hear what we’re saying,” he said. “Because they’re so frustrated that they didn’t right the first time -- and they want to please you, so it’s not like it’s a bad attitude, it’s a good attitude -- but they have to learn how to learn.” Saban told some freshmen this season they will make mistakes in practice and he will “get on them," and so they should approach practice as a learning experience and not that they are being criticizing or disappointing him.
What he has been saying lately isn't any different from what he has been saying over the year. Same coach, different players each year.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We're going to have more 3 and outs because we missed an open receiver or threw behind a guy or something than we had last year. Everyone just has to understand that and not lose their mind when it happens, because we got really spoiled for a few years.
Exactly. It's going to take some time for fan expectations to re-calibrate. This year I'm expecting a role reversal. Before it was the Defense getting bailed out by the Offense. This year, at least early on, it will be the Offense getting bailed out by the Defense. The early season Offense is likely just not going to be as electric as we've seen in years past. But with the talent and depth we have on defense, if we can just get to 30 against a team we ought to win. If not, its Golding we need to look at, not the offense.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:49 am to CrimsonCoast
I love how we went from "Bryce Young is the highest rated and most talented QB we've ever signed and he'll be pushing to start from day 1" to "We just have to face the fact that the offense is going to take a step back because Bryce just isn't the kind of accurate QB that Tua and Mac were." When did we start doubting BY so much?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:01 am to RollTide33
I don’t think we are doubting him. I just don’t think we have Waddle or DeVonta out there anymore, and Bryce needs experience before he looks like Tua or Mac. The truth about Tua and Mac will he revealed in the NFL this season. Hell, even Hurts is going to start. We have had EXTREMELY elite QBs and receivers lately.
Mac and Tua both set NCAA records for rating. We can’t expect Bryce to do that with lesser receiver talent. Metchie is good, and so is Jameson… but they aren’t DeVonta and Waddle, or Ruggs and Jeudy. Those guys are starting NFL receivers.
Mac and Tua both set NCAA records for rating. We can’t expect Bryce to do that with lesser receiver talent. Metchie is good, and so is Jameson… but they aren’t DeVonta and Waddle, or Ruggs and Jeudy. Those guys are starting NFL receivers.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:03 am to RollTide33
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I love how we went from "Bryce Young is the highest rated and most talented QB we've ever signed and he'll be pushing to start from day 1" to "We just have to face the fact that the offense is going to take a step back because Bryce just isn't the kind of accurate QB that Tua and Mac were." When did we start doubting BY so much?
He's a sophomore starting his first game with a young WR group and a new OC. Not really doubt, just setting expectations for a young player with young players around him - especially when compared to 2 of the most accurate college football quarterbacks of the last 5-10 years, who were playing with tons of veteran NFL receivers.
I dunno about everyone else but I think Bryce will have a very good season and great career.
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:10 am to CrimsonCoast
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As much as we loved Jalen Hurts, he struggled hitting folks in stride.
I've seen enough of Young to be pretty sure he's a much better passing qb than Hurts was in his first 2 seasons. Hurts' problems were more than hitting a receiver in stride. He wasn't consistently accurate at all those first 2 years, and it affected his confidence so much that he often would take off rather than attempt a pass to a wide open receiver.
A second or two after this, Hurts scrambled to the right...
This post was edited on 8/26/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:20 am to BLG
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He wasn't consistently accurate at all those first 2 years, and it affected his confidence so much that he often would take off rather than attempt a pass to a wide open receiver.
Yep. Jalen didn't start to really trust his eyes or his receivers until 2018, which led to a lot of inaccurate passes and missed opportunities. He'd second guess himself all day and you just can't do that as a QB. You have to be confident that the receiver is going to get to where you're throwing the ball and let it fly before he gets there.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:31 am to Robot Santa
Listened to Greg and Cole this morning (at least while they had Coach Sanderson on). And coach mentioned that the next week or so will be the real Coaching time... kids are getting tired of the same ol' same ol'... thinking they will be higher on the depth chart, the chart comes out and they now have to tell mama, where they actually are instead of where they think they will be... then the game comes and they don't get to play or play as much as they think they should have... UP pops the Portal thoughts... and getting really depressed... the COACHING will be to keep those not starting on campus... Prob Bama has is TOO much talent
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:36 am to RollTide66
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Prob Bama has is TOO much talent
It's a new game with the transfer portal. Who knows but Najee Harris may have transferred if he would have been immediately eligible. Perhaps Mac Jones.
If any coach can handle this, I think it will be Saban.
You never have TOO much talent. If some do transfer, and some probably will eventually, then you still have talented players that will stick it out.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:41 am to BLG
Any player with NFL potential will be happy to ride pine and wait their turn or work harder to earn it.
Why? Because NFL scouts know how Saban runs the show. You do your job and do it better than average and you will be in the pros.
I know football isn’t all about going pro, but for the guys that sign with Bama these days, that’s the reality of it. They are coming here to experience a title opportunity, but ultimately they know that it will prepare them for the big show.
Why? Because NFL scouts know how Saban runs the show. You do your job and do it better than average and you will be in the pros.
I know football isn’t all about going pro, but for the guys that sign with Bama these days, that’s the reality of it. They are coming here to experience a title opportunity, but ultimately they know that it will prepare them for the big show.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 9:46 am to Crimsonite94
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Any player with NFL potential will be happy to ride pine and wait their turn or work harder to earn it.
I can appreciate the optimism but several Alabama players already transferred and we're not sure none of them will eventually play in the NFL.
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