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re: Anyone who watched on TV or analyzed : deal with running game?

Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:11 am to
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:11 am to
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That's stupid, and sounds like a load of shite you just made up to me. If we can't run the ball between the tackles at all, someone like LSU or Auburn is going to come up with a way to generate constant pressure on Tua or cover our WRs and we're in trouble. There is no way Saban is going to deprioritize the run game just because we don't have to lean on it the way we have in the past.
He has a point. I don't think he said it correctly, but he has a point. I know we kept trying to run it up the middle to work on some of the things such as assignment and to continue to work towards the line gelling. We don't have to force it up the middle to win, we could have ran off tackle all game and still won by three touchdowns. One thing about Tua that is fascinating is his ability to anticipate, it is beautiful. This is why Auburn, Georgia nor LSU's defenses don't scare me. If they bring pressure, Tua will make them pay. He made A&M with both TDs Hale and with the pass to Damien. He also hit Irv with a nice pass while under pressure. Each one of those previously mentioned teams have a weakness on defense that we can and will exploit with the run and/or the pass. This offense is a beautiful thing to watch.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 8:36 am
Posted by Goombaw
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:11 am to
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Play calling was good, people need to get used to the fact that running downhill with this QB and WR's isn't priority. Good run stopping front 7's out there and crappy DB's. Shred the secondary. OL did their job. No QB Sacks.

I don't like the sound of that at all. I don't care how good your QB and WR's are, you cannot be one-dimensional. Pierschbacher, Cotton, and Leatherwood have got to be better, the playcalling was atrocious and if what happened Saturday happens against a better team, it will be a tough game. These terrible plays where the RB doesn't get an opportunity to build up some momentum should be thrown out of the playbook.

At one point, my dad and I were talking about how it felt like "Darby up the middle" all over again.
Posted by labamafan
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:18 am to
OL was getting physically whipped. It was not missing assignments.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:32 am to
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think in the past, we just punched the other team in the mouth until they couldn't take it anymore and we started gashing them. The repetition was good for our linemen and bad for the other team. With this passing game, I think we just haven't done that.
I this is correct. The shift in offensive philosophy built around our current starting skill players favors the pass for good reason.

It is difficult for the OL to have 2 x elite identities. The transition from pass blocking to run blocking is a complete change of gears. From sitting back/backing up, playing in unison, anticipating/thwarting defensive rushers, and keeping a clean pocket to pure aggression, driving forward off of the ball, identifying your man and putting a helmet on a helmet to create space and work to the second level, which also requires a great deal of shared snaps on the OL to do together as a unit effectively.

That said, it does need to be a point of emphasis as it has to improve from where it is at. Down the road, UA will find a game where they need to man up and muscle the ball down the field.

A variety of playcalling adjustment, many mentioned in this thread, to force Ds to play sideline to sideline and focus on/follow motions to wear teams down and create opportunities could help in the interim.

Personally, I'd like to see pkg A: Tua and the offense as is. Let it RIP. And, since CNS is using him anyway, Pkg B: Hurts and a power run, play action heavy version of play calling. Not sure why the emphasis on trying to get Hurts to throw like Tua at this point and completely abandon his legs, which create an entirely different problem set for Ds.

Wear them out with pass in the first half and break them off with repeated nose punches in the second half.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:40 am to
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Pkg B: Hurts and a power run, play action heavy version of play calling. Not sure why the emphasis on trying to get Hurts to throw like Tua at this point and completely abandon his legs, which create an entirely different problem set for Ds.

Tua has a higher career ypc than hurts... and 2 fewer fumbles this season alone.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 8:43 am to
aTm took a page out of the Auburn "how to kill the Alabama run game" playbook. They were slanting on the LoS with the DL. The slant kills the inside read but opens them to early cut-backs. Next page in the Auburn playbook they used with the slant was for the off side LB to blitz the gap when a guard pulled. Follow the guard to the ball in the backfield. When the RB looks to cut back due to the slant the blitz LB is waiting in what should have been the cutback lane.

To beat it you have to cross block behind the LoS with the H-back to pick up the gap blitz and the run has to be the outside read rather than the inside read. We kept running the inside read (in the teeth of the slant/blitz) rather than slipping off tackle outside the teeth. Running the inside read was because the game plan was to RPO the playside LB and Safety. That plan is off of the inside read. The extra steps to an outside read messes up the RPO timing.

Changing to running the outside read is a complete game plan shift away from the RPO concept to an outside power running plan.Game planning for one takes away to other.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 8:44 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:22 am to
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Tw1st3d


Great stuff

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Changing to running the outside read is a complete game plan shift away from the RPO concept to an outside power running plan.Game planning for one takes away to other.


So it sounds like we probably missed some individual matchups and runs, but overall we accepted their scheme up front neutralizing our run game in exchange for having unlimited success throwing the ball.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 9:29 am
Posted by Wrenchruh
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:24 am to
Excellent.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:27 am to
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aTm took a page out of the Auburn "how to kill the Alabama run game" playbook.
No, A&M discovered that last season. Everyone after A&M just copied that same philosophy, but in various looks and sets.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:43 am to
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This offense is a beautiful thing to watch.




That pass to Juedy under pressure into double , maybe triple coverage was unbelievable.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:18 am to
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That pass to Juedy under pressure into double , maybe triple coverage was unbelievable.

Agreed...even watching the replay, can't believe how he threaded that one...

He also had several throws where he threw the ball to the spot he knew the receiver would be, before the receiver ever made his cut. His field vision combined with how well he anticipates is otherworldly...
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:18 am to
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No, A&M discovered that last season


We ran all over A&M last season.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:29 am to
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Tw1st3d


This guy footballs.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:41 am to
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We ran all over A&M last season.
They gave up a couple of big runs, but they were able to slow us down a good bit after the adjustment in the 2nd half
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:56 am to
Twisted explained it well and is essentially what I was getting at. Good front 7’s stop the inside run and creation of yards other than the inside is what will have to happen. It did and it did against AM. AM had weak safeties and a good front 7. So we ran a pop pass to the house and burned the safeties. It isn’t stupid it’s just what we needed to do to win.
Posted by phaz
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:08 pm to
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Tw1st3d


38 posts in over a year since joining?

Please post more, you can add a lot to this board.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:32 pm to
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phaz


I have been here for years.

Old computer died and I had a new e-mail. After weeks of attempting to figure out my old user ID / password I gave up and made a new one. Old name was TRey_WS.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:56 pm to
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MontyFranklyn


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No, A&M discovered that last season


Nick Fairley, Auburn 2010 might not agree with you.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 5:57 pm to
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Old name was TRey_WS.


Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 6:17 pm to
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Changing to running the outside read is a complete game plan shift away from the RPO concept to an outside power running plan.Game planning for one takes away to other.

This is exactly what I was about to comment. It seems like the problem with the run game is the problem with the entire offense - too much RPO bullshite. Whenever we get into these cute little dink/dunk and pull fake plays, our offense stalls. Too many delayed runs.
We have an absolutely dominant QB and WRs. I want to see the lid taken off. Even more downfield passing with straight dropbacks. Basic play-action. Basic downhill runs.
When you're as balanced as we are, and as good at distributing the ball to so many playmakers, the defense is already guessing. We don't need as many fakes and RPOs to trick them. We could tell the defense the exact passing play we're going to run, and we'd still complete it 3/4 times
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