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re: Alabama's Out Of State Recruitment Criticized
Posted on 3/27/19 at 6:42 pm to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 3/27/19 at 6:42 pm to RollTide4Ever
The increase in enrollment has been necessary beyond simple decreases in state funding. Schools with a higher percentage of STEM students receive more state funding per student. Relative to UAB, and Auburn, and even UAH, UA has a lower, though increasing, proportion of students in STEM programs. The growth in Engineering at UA has been dramatic. But UA is still playing catch up in other areas and still enrolls a much higher number of non STEM students. So it must enroll more out of state students to make up the difference.
Also, UA has no Medical or Vet School, and no Agriculture School, so relative to schools like UAB and Auburn, it gets far less state funding, especially research money. If you look at the total funding differential, it is quite shocking.
Also, UA has no Medical or Vet School, and no Agriculture School, so relative to schools like UAB and Auburn, it gets far less state funding, especially research money. If you look at the total funding differential, it is quite shocking.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:07 pm
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:45 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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However, many of them head right back to the Midwest after graduation. The state needs more good jobs to keep those students here.
you can't create a "more good jobs" environment as quickly as you can recruit some OOS students. However, it should have a trickle down environment. Take myself for example. I'm from OOS, went to UA and I'm still here in the state.
Even if it is "many" of them heading back home, some are staying and that's how you can improve the overall economic environment.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:28 pm to East Coast Band
By the way, despite the sharp decline in the USNWR rankings, the quality of the freshman classes, expressed by their avg ACT score, has significantly improved over that same period (2012 to 2018) of decline in the rankings. See this chart: LINK /
The avg ACT has increased from 25.9 in Fall of 2012, to 27.0 in Fall of 2018. It had increased to 27.1 as early as Fall of 2016, but for the Fall class of 2018, UA raised its criteria for its most generous scholarships, which led to a slightly lower avg ACT for that freshman class. UA has since made that scholarship more generous so we should see an increase in that avg ACT this coming Fall.
The avg ACT has increased from 25.9 in Fall of 2012, to 27.0 in Fall of 2018. It had increased to 27.1 as early as Fall of 2016, but for the Fall class of 2018, UA raised its criteria for its most generous scholarships, which led to a slightly lower avg ACT for that freshman class. UA has since made that scholarship more generous so we should see an increase in that avg ACT this coming Fall.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/28/19 at 5:58 am to TomRollTideRitter
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However, many of them head right back to the Midwest after graduation. The state needs more good jobs to keep those students here.
That’s the big point right there. Got to start finding a way to retain these OOS students for the benefit of the state.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:36 am to RollTide4Ever
The result of all this out of state growth is that the campus looks like an episode of Jersey Shore.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:02 am to LovetheLord
Well I respectfully disagree, if by Jersey Shore you mean tacky. Maybe some of the new Greek houses are a bit gauche or over the top if that is what you mean.
There is still so much more new construction coming. Bryce in particular, will be a very attractive part of campus when all of the renovations are complete and the new performing arts center is built.
There will soon be a new Tutwiller Residence Hall, a new Business building, a renovated Biology building, renovated Gorgas Library with an amazing change to the north side of the library, a Vivarium, etc.
There is still so much more new construction coming. Bryce in particular, will be a very attractive part of campus when all of the renovations are complete and the new performing arts center is built.
There will soon be a new Tutwiller Residence Hall, a new Business building, a renovated Biology building, renovated Gorgas Library with an amazing change to the north side of the library, a Vivarium, etc.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:37 pm to Cobrasize
AL.com has nothing to do with the state of Alabama. Advance Publications that own them is just another liberal fish wrapper from New Jersey/New York....F'um all.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:56 pm to 14&Counting
it has really changed the vibe of Tuscaloosa, honestly. I was student 06-10 when some of the out of state push started. Even then, it was still very clearly a heavy in-state student school. Fast forward 10-14 and my little sister is in school at Bama. The out of state push is in full force but still seemed to have a small majority. Now, 5 years after of having that connection to Tuscaloosa, it is hardly the same place. some for better and some for worse. I dont think there was any racial bias, I will say that. I do think however it is an unintended consequence.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 1:15 am to parrothead
I think it would make a lot of you feel better if you knew that UA is making a big push to increase in state enrollment.
I Know of two things they are doing to achieve this. First, every single in state freshman who has a GPA of at least 3.5 AND an ACT of at least 21, is eligible for a partial scholarship. The amount of the awards increase as the ACT scores increase.
UA is also creating videos and posting them to youtube, that highlight students from Alabama who choose to stay instate and attend UA. The campaign is called, "Close to Home."
I Know of two things they are doing to achieve this. First, every single in state freshman who has a GPA of at least 3.5 AND an ACT of at least 21, is eligible for a partial scholarship. The amount of the awards increase as the ACT scores increase.
UA is also creating videos and posting them to youtube, that highlight students from Alabama who choose to stay instate and attend UA. The campaign is called, "Close to Home."
Posted on 3/31/19 at 1:26 am to FairhopeTider
I wouldn't focus only on retaining them in the sense of just living in Alabama (and I'm not saying you are) but instead try to increase a sense of appreciation and loyalty towards giving back to the state, the state University relevant to jobs creation, entrepreneurial encouragement etc etc...of course if they chose to live in Alabama too then all the better.
This post was edited on 3/31/19 at 1:29 am
Posted on 3/31/19 at 8:30 am to 14&Counting
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UA's enrollment of non-resident freshman “exploded” from 626 students in the 2002-2003 school year to 2,406 last year, the report found.
That’s a long explosion. 17 years.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 11:45 am to SXV
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quote: UA's enrollment of non-resident freshman “exploded” from 626 students in the 2002-2003 school year to 2,406 last year, the report found. That’s a long explosion. 17 years.
That stat is inaccurate. The incompetent Al.com "reporter" mistakenly wrote that UA enrolled 2,406 non-resident freshman in Fall of 2017, but that is the number of IN-STATE freshman enrolled that Fall! The number of non-resident freshman was actually 4,956! See this link for yourself: LINK /
That is a huge error and I see it has not been corrected. Typical of Al.com. What a rag. And notice the writer showed no concern for the lack of diversity at Auburn?
And the person from UCLA the Al.com writer cited, Mr. Jacquette, pretended that controlling for passage of state exams is as important as ACT/SAT scores. Simply passing the state exam says nothing about the avg ACT/SAT score of an Alabama high school. I really despise these non-Southern academic hacks who live to paint the South as regressive and in need of their advice. There is zero chance schools like UCLA would admit the vast majority of even the top Black students across the Black Belt, for their ACT/SAT score would not be high enough. So why is this UCLA hack judging UA? Because he has a Leftist, racial agenda. Today's Marxists see race and identity as far more important than economic class.
And the comments for that Al.com piece are just filled with ignorance. UA has more top students than any other SEC school, save for Texas A&M, but many of the commenters think UA is attracting mostly sub-standard students from across the nation.
This post was edited on 3/31/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/19 at 11:56 am to Bryantboyz
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I wouldn't focus only on retaining them in the sense of just living in Alabama (and I'm not saying you are) but instead try to increase a sense of appreciation and loyalty towards giving back to the state, the state University relevant to jobs creation, entrepreneurial encouragement etc etc...of course if they chose to live in Alabama too then all the better.
Very true. I often wonder if UA doesn't do enough to promote itself as "the state school." Always thought that was a perfect counter to Auburn's "family" narrative.
Would be great to see us have the state flag on the back of our helmet or running behind it when the team runs on the field. Seems like we like to shy away from that.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 12:36 pm to FairhopeTider
Speaking of the state flag, I sure wish we would redesign ours. I'd like to keep it somewhat simple but it looks like an emergency flag or something 
Posted on 4/1/19 at 12:52 pm to Gary Busey
I agree with the study. Alabama is a state school. It should be their to benefit the citizens of our state. Most of those out of state kids are on scholarship. That's money taken directly from the taxpayers intended to benefit our residents. It's no secret the public schools in Alabama suck but that's a problem the state Universities should be working to address. Instead they just recruit kids from richer states with better public education
Posted on 4/1/19 at 1:22 pm to Bamaorbust
In a nutshell, here's how it works. The state cuts funding to schools by millions of dollars. State schools are supposed to be primarily for in-state kids, I agree. But state school administrator looks around and says, my budget has been cut; now I can give a scholarship to in state kids with the highest test scores which basically means little or no tuition dollars from them since they are already paying in-state rates, OR I can recruit top scores from other states, give them a "scholarship" that reduces their tuition to in-state or near in-state levels and I still get the same revenue I would get for an in-state kid not on scholarship.
What would you do? The money has to come from somewhere.
What would you do? The money has to come from somewhere.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 2:47 pm to phil4bama
It's almost like cutting education funding has negative consequences or something. Who'd have guessed?
Posted on 4/1/19 at 3:26 pm to phil4bama
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In a nutshell, here's how it works. The state cuts funding to schools by millions of dollars. State schools are supposed to be primarily for in-state kids, I agree. But state school administrator looks around and says, my budget has been cut; now I can give a scholarship to in state kids with the highest test scores which basically means little or no tuition dollars from them since they are already paying in-state rates, OR I can recruit top scores from other states, give them a "scholarship" that reduces their tuition to in-state or near in-state levels and I still get the same revenue I would get for an in-state kid not on scholarship. What would you do? The money has to come from somewhere.
If many had their way, all in-state university budgets would get slashed in half with no regard to how it would impact the end game of granting degrees.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 4:12 pm to stomp
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quote: I wouldn't focus only on retaining them in the sense of just living in Alabama (and I'm not saying you are) but instead try to increase a sense of appreciation and loyalty towards giving back to the state, the state University relevant to jobs creation, entrepreneurial encouragement etc etc...of course if they chose to live in Alabama too then all the better. Very true. I often wonder if UA doesn't do enough to promote itself as "the state school." Always thought that was a perfect counter to Auburn's "family" narrative. Would be great to see us have the state flag on the back of our helmet or running behind it when the team runs on the field. Seems like we like to shy away from that.
Amen! I noticed Auburn fans wearing the state flag, in orange and blue! before I noticed any UA gear with the state flag. There is no reason whatsoever why UA can't run onto the field with the state flag as a banner. Other schools do it. The red in the flag even comes close to being crimson.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 4:16 pm to InGAButLoveBama
Someone wrote that MOST out of state students are on scholarship. I am not sure if that is true. About one-half of the school is on at least a partial scholarship, but the out of state scholarships have even stricter requirements. Most out of state students are on only partial scholarships, so even then UA is getting far more money than it would otherwise get given the much higher rate for out of state tuition. It is a no brainer. Out of state students, on the whole, bring in much much more money to UA than in state students. Even the ones on partial scholarships are paying UA a hefty amount.
This post was edited on 4/1/19 at 5:33 pm
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