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Alabama football financial report 2023

Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted by My2Bits
2500 mi from Tuscaloosa due west
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:10 pm
Per Tuscaloosa News:
First deficit since 2019
Very surprising. If we are in this state , how are the others making it? Also some categories of contributions are confusing. Report does not include Gift contributions of 14+ million.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:20 pm to
As somebody who looks at a bunch of these for a living (or has at various points in his career), let me just say that these sorts of reports are not reported on general accounting principles, can and are easily manipulated by that "Direct Institutional Support" number and are in total ("surplus"/"deficit") not a very good way to look at anything.

Where you can get something from them are details of tangible financial line items and compare them to prior years.

- Ticket sales and direct contributions falling by a combined $5.75M is a pretty big red flag (even if a lot of those contributions are being redirected to NIL stuff). I don't look at these anymore (not my area anymore), but I'd be very curious how this compares to other big schools and whether it's been a trend the last 3 years.

- The endowment income is entirely due to general investment conditions - everybody's endowments fell during fiscal year 2023. That in and of itself is a drop of $3.1M and has nothing to do with anything but unrealized gains/losses that are going to rise and fall every year.

- Direct institutional support is generally scholarships, but in a lot of cases at huge places in the SEC/B1G/BXII those figures go up and down based on how athletic departments want their released financials to look. They do not want those numbers to be high - even if it's entirely reasonable - because the public gets these documents, sees "institutional support" and immediately starts writing hit pieces about how much the school spends on sports.

- I don't know what the $14.3M in gifts being collected but not reported is for. All I can think of, unless its just purposely being held back from some reason, is that those gifts were for a future purpose and therefore aren't technically revenue (accounting treatment thing).


Finally, a big thing to remember with educational units (and non-profits in general) is that their goal is NOT to make a huge profit. If an athletic department or regular non-profit runs a gigantic surplus every year, that means they aren't being very good fiduciary stewards of their donors funds. The purpose of these organizations is to raise funds from donors and spend them accordingly. Now they don't want to run huge deficits, but the preferred place for Organizations like this to land every year is with a small profit that shows that they are wisely taking care of the funds AND they are spending the money donors are giving them.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted by cdur86
Member since Jan 2014
958 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:24 pm to
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Ticket sales and direct contributions falling by a combined $5.75M is a pretty big red flag (even if a lot of those contributions are being redirected to NIL stuff).


Do you think now that you can't claim this stuff on your taxes is the reason why this has fallen?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:27 pm to
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Do you think now that you can't claim this stuff on your taxes is the reason why this has fallen?



I think the combination of losing the deduction + the NIL game has had a very large effect on that across the board.

People still give to targeted campaigns (a new stadium), but way less just give large general amounts year over year in the same way they used to.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 1:29 pm to
That 14 million dollar gift not included in income must have been a designated gift for a specific purpose, like maybe some type of building improvement that hasnt happened.

How did student meals go from 1 million to 6 million?
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted by razthecat
Bay Minette, AL
Member since Oct 2010
2352 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 1:31 pm to
"Student-athlete meals (non-travel) saw a jump from $918,301 to $5.89 million"

Did they switch from USDA choice to organic grass-fed prime beef or something?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

"Student-athlete meals (non-travel) saw a jump from $918,301 to $5.89 million"

Did they switch from USDA choice to organic grass-fed prime beef or something?


How else do you think we fattened up that OL?
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
808 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 1:56 pm to
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How else do you think we fattened up that OL?


With Proctor gone I expect that number to be cut in half.
Posted by My2Bits
2500 mi from Tuscaloosa due west
Member since Jun 2012
4798 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 2:04 pm to
Thank you SOG for the detailed explanation, very helpful. Makes better sense now.
The gift part might be money donated for infra projects for various sports. At least that’s my understanding of it.
Posted by MrPigskin
Member since Sep 2023
496 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 2:08 pm to
Have been thinking this is what will eventually reel NIL in…when universities start losing money. I know it’s not supposed to be tied directly to the universities, but in reality it is. Especially as money is diverted to NIL deals, at the expense of large donor contributions to the University itself. I’m betting as this reality sets in, universities will push hard for limits to be put in place.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
9245 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 3:03 pm to
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Spending some time looking at the Alabama and Auburn financial filings with the NCAA, looking for differences. Here's one: athletics-dedicated endowment.

Alabama: $103.9 million
Auburn: $13.6 million


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Posted by Britlab
Nashville
Member since Jan 2014
341 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:57 pm to
SOG, is it true that athletic departments have to reimburse the universities for all athletes scholarships?
Posted by laxdabs
Member since Dec 2013
83 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 2:43 pm to
Also, it should be noted that the FY 2023 means 7/1/2022 to 6/30/2023, which is the 2022 CFB season where we didn't make the CFP and so lost some potential revenue there.

Not sure it explains the whole $5.75M drop in that category but likely makes it less eye-popping.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 2:44 pm
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