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Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:10 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:10 am to imjustafatkid
frick you too
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 6:46 am to BigBird09
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As for JQ, if he continues this level of play, we're not any worse without him. I thought the bench role would get him back to himself, but apparently he's just becoming a head case.
We have been there for over a month. Our stat man SummerofGoogle can probably provide some actual numbers, but my hunch is that it's a tie between him and Gurley for most useless player in the rotation. I can't think of any other Alabama player I've ever seen regress this hard this suddenly. He had some post-COVID struggles last year, but even that wasn't as bad as he has been this season.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 6:48 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:07 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I wish people would focus on what they do well and bringing value to the team instead of trying to prove they can do X, y, or z for the league.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:21 am to RumHam
Context on just how bad the loss last night was
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Hunter Johnson
@BurnerLJohnson
Worst regular season loss of the KenPom era (last 20 years).
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Hunter Johnson
@BurnerLJohnson
Would be the worst overall if not for Norfolk State.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 7:22 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:29 am to Robot Santa
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We have been there for over a month. Our stat man SummerofGoogle can probably provide some actual numbers, but my hunch is that it's a tie between him and Gurley for most useless player in the rotation.
Since the Houston Game (11 games)
Here is really all you need to know.
- The 3 players with the highest usage rates on offense have the 3 worst offensive ratings
- The two point guards have by far the worst offensive ratings
- The guy with by far the highest usage rate has the worst offensive rating and the worst eFG%.
If this was baseball right now would be where you say JQ has an upper body injury and place him on the 10 day IL to just take a week to clear his brain.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 7:34 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
Last 6 SEC Games
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
Since the Auburn game, ShotQuality has Quinerly down for 11 good possessions and 34 bad possessions.
His ShotQuality Point Per Possession Quadrantile Rank the last 5 games:
- Auburn (14th percentile)
- Mississippi St (13th percentile)
- LSU (48th percentile)
- Missouri (40th percentile)
- Georgia (22nd percentile)
Feels kind of impossible to win in this system if your point guard is an absolute offensive disaster, which JQ is at the moment.
His ShotQuality Point Per Possession Quadrantile Rank the last 5 games:
- Auburn (14th percentile)
- Mississippi St (13th percentile)
- LSU (48th percentile)
- Missouri (40th percentile)
- Georgia (22nd percentile)
Feels kind of impossible to win in this system if your point guard is an absolute offensive disaster, which JQ is at the moment.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
James Rojas played 24 minutes.
Britton Johnson 7 minutes.
That tells me everything I need to know. A guy most people realized last year should be basically forced to transfer because of the influx of talent and a walk-on are getting significant minutes now in a conference loss.
This team has fallen apart.
Some of it is injuries (Gary and Burnett, for example, should be getting all of the above mentioned minutes and then some) but mostly it's guys like JQ, Shack, and JD having massive holes in their games and not improving at all, Ellis still being too much a role player, Gurley looking like a complete evaluation miss by Oats and staff , etc.
Hopefully the guys coming in next year (including Burnett hopefully getting his shot after injury) have some alphas without huge holes in their game. This roster is very flawed right now.
Britton Johnson 7 minutes.
That tells me everything I need to know. A guy most people realized last year should be basically forced to transfer because of the influx of talent and a walk-on are getting significant minutes now in a conference loss.
This team has fallen apart.
Some of it is injuries (Gary and Burnett, for example, should be getting all of the above mentioned minutes and then some) but mostly it's guys like JQ, Shack, and JD having massive holes in their games and not improving at all, Ellis still being too much a role player, Gurley looking like a complete evaluation miss by Oats and staff , etc.
Hopefully the guys coming in next year (including Burnett hopefully getting his shot after injury) have some alphas without huge holes in their game. This roster is very flawed right now.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:02 am to elposter
Recipe for disaster. Poor defense, poor free throw %, turnovers, and most of all, no team leaders.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
JQ is what I expected, but I guess I was being too hard on Gurley. Maybe it's just my bias since I was expecting so much more from him and he has just been a middle of the road role player.
Bottom line though, a staff that is supposed to be so in tune with analytics allowing the worst performing players on the team to dominate the ball is pretty much indefensible. It also confirms my belief that we need to at least consider playing Ellis as our 2nd guard instead of having two of JQ, JD, and Shack on the court together.
Bottom line though, a staff that is supposed to be so in tune with analytics allowing the worst performing players on the team to dominate the ball is pretty much indefensible. It also confirms my belief that we need to at least consider playing Ellis as our 2nd guard instead of having two of JQ, JD, and Shack on the court together.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:06 am to Robot Santa
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JQ is what I expected, but I guess I was being too hard on Gurley. Maybe it's just my bias since I was expecting so much more from him and he has just been a middle of the road role player.
Bottom line though, a staff that is supposed to be so in tune with analytics allowing the worst performing players on the team to dominate the ball is pretty much indefensible.
The Ellis usage rate being what it has been consistently throughout the year is........I mean it isn't acceptable. That's a failure in coaching. He's been one of if not the most efficient player in shot selection and makes over the past 2 seasons and his usage rate is the equivalent of a 4th offensive option.
And the idea that he is passive isn't an excuse. Great coaches scheme players into enough spots where they have to shoot/drive that they eventually are forced into accepting their role as a high usage rate guy. We have done none of that. It doesn't even look like we've tried based on the way possessions play out.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:08 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah, I edited my post to say that those numbers just back up what I was saying earlier in the thread about playing Ellis at the 2 instead of keeping 2 of JQ, JD, and Shack out there together. At a minimum it would pretty much force Ellis to take more shots and have the ball in his hands more often.
Just for discussion because of the inherent assumption that currently not healthy players are available before the season is totally lost: JD-Ellis-Miles-Gurley-Gary? Would that even be functional? It's a small lineup with only two real shooters, but I think it would force some guys out of their comfort zones and into roles that best help the team.
Just for discussion because of the inherent assumption that currently not healthy players are available before the season is totally lost: JD-Ellis-Miles-Gurley-Gary? Would that even be functional? It's a small lineup with only two real shooters, but I think it would force some guys out of their comfort zones and into roles that best help the team.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 8:22 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:33 am to Robot Santa
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Just for discussion because of the inherent assumption that currently not healthy players are available before the season is totally lost: JD-Ellis-Miles-Gurley-Gary?
Imagine trying to come up with your best starting 5 and NEITHER ONE OF YOUR PRE-SEASON ALL-SEC SELECTIONS ARE IN IT.
frick.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:41 am to elposter
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that's our best lineup or starting 5. It's just that at this point, for whatever reason, our guards are making our offense less efficient while also being flat out awful defensively. We can debate the why all day, but the numbers just don't lie. They've been terrible in conference play. Ellis is one of our most efficient offensive players and he's capable of shooting and driving to the basket. Sticking him at the 2 instead of using him as a wing may not be the best way to use him, but it might force him to try to score more while also getting a bad defender off the floor.
I have no more answers than Oats does. I don't think the staff anticipated Primo being a one and done, JD looking like at least a 2 year project, Burnett getting hurt, JQ turning into a pumpkin, and Gurley being a bust. This roster is deeply flawed with limited numbers of two way players. When you only have a couple of functional lineups and they share players you're in deep shite. You can't have 4 guys play 35 minutes a night.
I have no more answers than Oats does. I don't think the staff anticipated Primo being a one and done, JD looking like at least a 2 year project, Burnett getting hurt, JQ turning into a pumpkin, and Gurley being a bust. This roster is deeply flawed with limited numbers of two way players. When you only have a couple of functional lineups and they share players you're in deep shite. You can't have 4 guys play 35 minutes a night.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
When both of your point guards are a disorganized, uncertain mess on offense and can't stay in front of a dribbler on defense, you're just not going to play very well.
A lot of other issues wouldn't seem so large if this wasn't the case.
A lot of other issues wouldn't seem so large if this wasn't the case.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:12 am to wm72
i'm just curious if all this didnt actually start back when shaq took the summer off and didnt show up until he had to. then hes the number one scorer, with the most shots, again. idk, team chemistry is a fickle thing and theres not a coach out there that can force it to be good.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:42 am to crimsontater
I still maintain something happened right around the Houston-Memphis time frame. Memphis game ongoing this has been a different team.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:50 am to Allthatfades
maybe its time to clear the bench. all those scholarshipped players that just sit n watch every game, put'em in, geez, start'em. what do you really have to lose at this point?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:01 am to crimsontater
Nate Oats provides positive injury update on forward Darius Miles (BOL)
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:04 am to TidalSurge1
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