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re: AJ McCarron says we have less than $20 million in NIL and other schools have double.

Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:51 pm to
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19584 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:51 pm to
Or recruit players that buy in. Throwing money around doesn't sound too smart to me.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
4230 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:59 pm to
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Yes he does. We made him the highest paid coach in CFB from the beginning to end.


No he doesn't. Someone, I can't remember where, did the math. The out of state tuition alone he brought in while he was coaching far outweighed what we were paying him. Just because he was the highest paid coach doesn't mean he wasn't worth more. It would be great if he was willing to donate even more but he's not obligated to. He's still on staff and contributing in other ways.
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
5876 posts
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:15 pm to
If you read the Athletic article(paywall) that surveyed Top 100 recruits, $200k is about the going rate for blue chip athletes. I'm sure AJ is right about some teams having $30 million rosters, but I would guess that's just a couple teams like tOSU or Oregon.

We can still get players, but are we getting(and spending the money on) the right players?
Posted by stewieie
Florida
Member since Feb 2020
216 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:53 am to
The money side of the game changed when coaches started making huge salaries. This prompted players to want to get paid and was supported by the fans. May have started with Texas A&M and progressed to the level Alabama paid when they hired Saban. This created an arms race on coaches salaries. Bryant never made a big salary, but he ended up wealthy by building relationships, which was normal business activity in the south at the time. I think Bryant Jr. gave back $25 million years ago. I believe Alabama will be behind the curve on money in the future. The rich franchises in the NFL subsidize the lower tier. It supposedly is to promote competition. Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame and Texas A&M may have to subsidize Alabama for the same reason. Note Texas killed two conferences with their greed. The greedy college conferences have created a monster lead in the beginning by the SEC. Expanding the SEC was a mistake. Small regional conferences with a 12 team play off system would be good. Love of the game does not exist in sports now if is all about the money.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11021 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:01 am to
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Then don’t complain when we’re shitting the bed for years to come. If we want to be near the top at least we have to fork out cash and 25 dollar monthly memberships to yea Alabama won’t do it


I could win the powerball today and not give a dime to NIL. I’d consider donating to the fund to build the arena or fund scholarships for non-revenue sports, but I’m not giving money to NIL collectives. That’s just pissing your money away so 18-22yos can drive Bimmer and Escalades.

NFL franchises don’t nakedly pass the hat around to sign their franchise quarterback. I’m not against direct compensation from the school and I’m not against players getting money from real businesses seeking advertisement opportunities. However, this has become passing the hat around the fanbase to pay the players and I’m not for that at all.

I’ll just watch the NFL on Sundays and divorce myself from CFB if this gets anymore venal and nonsensical.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 7:16 am
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9511 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:17 am to
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Then don’t complain when we’re shitting the bed for years to come. If we want to be near the top at least we have to fork out cash and 25 dollar monthly memberships to yea Alabama won’t do it


If we shite the bed because of lack of NIL, I honestly wont care. I dont think it plays out that way though. I think there will be a LOT of money paid out across CFB for subpar performance
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28462 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:51 am to
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Then don’t complain when we’re shitting the bed for years to come. If we want to be near the top at least we have to fork out cash and 25 dollar monthly memberships to yea Alabama won’t do it


How much have you donated? You did say "we". How much cash are you personally forking out? You're so eager to give away other people's money, how much have you given? If you haven't, then shut the frick up.

The notion that we don't have a right to complain is mind boggling stupidity. You're expecting people to funnel money into program that (a) has hired an incompetent staff top to bottom, (b) completely wrecked the culture of the most successful brand in college football, (c) gives out that money willy nilly to players who don't deserve it, and (d) doesn't hold players who get that money accountable.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28462 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:02 am to
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You may just be a fan but those of us who actually attended bama feel like we deserve better right now.


I was there 30 years before you, The University doesn't owe me shite as far as the football program is concerned. You know why? Because, unlike you, apparently, I stopped paying for anything a while back. I'm not paying for squat.

I was up to 8 season tickets right after covid, and I let them all go. And it's a good thing, because I probably would have been purged with this new initiative. That's a whole 'nother story.

You think the university owes you something because you're foolish enough to give them your money? No one held a gun to your head.

Let's say you go into Longhorn Steakhouse, where you previously have had good meals and good service. You get a shitty meal and shitty service this time. And in spite of your complaints to the management, when you go back next week, you have another shitty meal and shitty service...only now the menu prices have gone up $10.

What are you going to do? Are you going to keep going back and having shitty meals and shitty service at ever increasing menu prices? Or are you going to spend your money elsewhere.

Large numbers of us have decided to spend our money elsewhere.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 8:04 am
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11021 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:18 am to
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BamaGradinTn


The "they don't owe you anything" aspect is why many who choose to be charitable with universities do so in specifically defined ways so they can feel like their gift has a lasting impact.

You give me a choice to fund 1 softball scholarship in perpetuity v. 1 football athlete for an academic year (when said athlete has no living expenses at all, so it is pure cash in their pocket to spend on luxury items)...well, it ain't a hard choice for me...tGut is about to have one more full scholarship to offer.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 8:19 am
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4634 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:21 am to
Shenanigans with tickets as described in an Al dot com story this morning … I’m not linking, got burned for that, but it’s easy to find and Bama fans should read it because it’s an eye opener … combined with what’s happening on the field might finish the job.

TL;dr … Bama canceled the season tickets of a bunch of people who they say were reselling tickets, but the school has now contracted with someone to push tickets to StubHub, etc., so the school can get a cut.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 8:27 am
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11021 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:25 am to
Apparently, buying faculty/staff ticket packages requires a donation to tide pride now. I'm interested to know if that is a blackhole donation or would actually benefit the employee in any way post-employment/retirement. Considering that F/S tickets are typically in the north or south end zone nosebleeds other than a basically nonexistent number of lower bowl seats, I find it hard to believe it is worth the money. Especially since the taxes are getting passed along to the buyer now as a sneaky 10% price increase.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4634 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:27 am to
I edited my post above to add the details.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19584 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:29 am to
If I was a billionaire, I would work towards revamping youth sports to give us an advantage in the long term.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11021 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:31 am to
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I edited my post above to add the details.



Yeah, that is another part of the problem. Alabama wants a cut on reselling and I think they don't even allow F/S to profit on resell. So LOL.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4634 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:34 am to
Hypocrisy, thy name is Byrne.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8383 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:57 am to
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Or recruit players that buy in. Throwing money around doesn't sound too smart to me.


DeBoer will have a better team with 2 and 3 stars. He can't manage the 4's and 5's. TikToks in the locker room, come on. If DeBoer is a serious coach, he'll ban all social media until this team starts playing like Bama should.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19518 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:15 am to
AJ is pretty close. My family gives a lot to the university and I can tell you my observations.

When COVID happened they asked us to give our usual donation plus some extra because they were going to have to let a lot of the ticket and tide pride staff go. They gave us a spreadsheet showing literally everything, names, etc. We did so and apparently those people were saved. That to me was worth every dime, truly felt like we helped the school. Years past we were never presented something like that.

After that, we do basically the same donation plus our tickets every year and they seem to be happy. We also do X number of paid scholarships to students who deserve it. They have brought me in on some NIL deals and I’ve seen behind the curtain some. In all honesty after the Caleb Downs thing I backed off that big time. It royally pissed me off. Those donations have given us some access to facilities, coaches, etc for years. Is it worth it? Sometimes, the kids like it, you get to see what’s actual happening. Coach DeBoer to me seems to be less inclined to have the donors around even though he seems to be more chipper in person. Saban always had us around. We got invited to everything, Saban knew the game. Nate Oats was in our area during the closed scrimmage, I spoke to him briefly about everything basketball but athletics in general. He seemed to avoid his thoughts on DeBoer I thought weird at the time. Almost like he wasn’t his favorite.

Things have certainly changed. I was asked my opinion on them raising entry to the Bryant Society this year and I almost laughed out loud. I told them in a nice way if they did that, they may lose every donor we have. You have to have a level of success to do that type of thing. We don’t have it, and we just lost a 23 year streak. Thin ice is what the school is on with Donors. It’s just a fact.
Posted by cdur86
Member since Jan 2014
1582 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:37 am to
I've gotten to the point where I just donate to the school. It seems to make more of a difference than donating to the athletic department. I'm proud of a lot of the things our students have accomplished lately.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:41 am to
The main difference in the NIL era is that you can see which kids are truly getting paid life changing money already. The most a bagman was probably ever handing out may have been $50,000 or $100,000. I'd say most backup SEC QB's are making $500,000. It takes the hunger out of the players to make it to the NFL...these kids are living better lives than 99% of the fans, so why the hell would we expect them to play balls to the wall every week.
Posted by NWLA_Bama
Member since Aug 2024
1240 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:56 am to
Saban hit the nail on the head on Gameday when discussing this. It doesn't matter how much money you have if you're paying the wrong players. You never know how a player is going to respond to money. Some keep playing hard, and some pack it in. It appears we've got a lot of guys who've packed it in.
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