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Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:46 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Woof. How bout the red head kid from Georgia a few years ago that resembled howdy doody? How in the world did we give scholarships to some of these guys?
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:38 pm to Carlton
For me it isn't about the stars.
I am looking at their size and abilities. I wasn't a 5star recruit and to be honest I don't buy into them like that because most are pampered and don't have that dog in them.
I just believe both Washington and Frazier look good as receivers and both would be used in dominate fashion by a legitimate NFL level QB.
That kind of size with soft hands is hard to defend. We know because Moss gave us a headache.
I am looking at their size and abilities. I wasn't a 5star recruit and to be honest I don't buy into them like that because most are pampered and don't have that dog in them.
I just believe both Washington and Frazier look good as receivers and both would be used in dominate fashion by a legitimate NFL level QB.
That kind of size with soft hands is hard to defend. We know because Moss gave us a headache.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:48 pm to YStar
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For me it isn't about the stars.
Stars only mean something on the whole. Per individual player, they mean close to nothing. Furthermore, I see no difference between a 5 star and a high 4 star.
The star system is just an invented narrative to further the economy surrounding recruiting, camps, and recruiting websites.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:52 pm to Sebastian
McLeod got a scholarship because he did go throw for Saban and was the "best". He essentially was a game manager for his HS with Tyren Jones at RB.
QB depth wasn't that great IIRC and they had already taken Bateman fearing they'd miss out on another "top" QB after thinking they had a good shot at Max Browne.
Hell, Del Rio was better than Bateman and McLeod, but never got the scholarship he wanted...
QB depth wasn't that great IIRC and they had already taken Bateman fearing they'd miss out on another "top" QB after thinking they had a good shot at Max Browne.
Hell, Del Rio was better than Bateman and McLeod, but never got the scholarship he wanted...
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:53 pm to prevatt33b
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Stars only mean something on the whole. Per individual player, they mean close to nothing. Furthermore, I see no difference between a 5 star and a high 4 star.
The star system is just an invented narrative to further the economy surrounding recruiting, camps, and recruiting websites.
I agree.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:54 pm to YStar
I agree with you in regards to stars, I’ve been a big fan of Caden Clark. I think that most people are mostly upset though because we didn’t get Gilbert or Washington because of the stars.
But I still believe if you don’t have one of those mismatch type guys you are far from doomed in college football on the offensive side of the ball.
But I still believe if you don’t have one of those mismatch type guys you are far from doomed in college football on the offensive side of the ball.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:59 pm to Carlton
People were upset when Alabama signed Irv Smith too. I don’t know if Clark ever amounts to anything, but I’d give the kid a chance to develop first.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:48 pm to Shaft Williams
Stars and nuggets are very lucrative.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:48 pm to CapstoneGrad06
And, lets be honest you can find TE projects. The most important thing is teaching blocking techniques. I remember when Jimmy Graham was just a bruiser on the University of Miami's basketball team and went on to become a very good pro TE. And, while I don't evaluate players for a living the Frasier kid from Texas looks good.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:51 pm to Carlton
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But I still believe if you don’t have one of those mismatch type guys you are far from doomed in college football on the offensive side of the ball.
You can say that about every position besides QB.
For me we need every difference maker we can get. We never know what impact they can give us in the future.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:00 pm to YStar
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You can say that about every position besides QB.
I disagree with this.
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For me we need every difference maker we can get. We never know what impact they can give us in the future.
I do agree with this point but if you don’t get that at tight end I don’t think you should worry if you have solid play at the position, good blocking, solid pass catching.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:10 pm to Carlton
Agree to disagree.
I have pointed out instances where a TE has been the difference maker. We won a championship because we had to first rounder at TE.
Without him we lose a third championship to Clemson.
I have pointed out instances where a TE has been the difference maker. We won a championship because we had to first rounder at TE.
Without him we lose a third championship to Clemson.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:16 pm to YStar
Definitely. Just different philosophies. All our other championships we didn’t need that type of player. We won in 2017 without that guy. Clemson didn’t need one last year. None of the teams in the playoff currently have that player. I don’t agree with you Moss is that guy based on play and production. Agree to disagree. Having that player is rarely essential to success.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:48 pm to YStar
I think Michael Williams TE was awesome helped us to a title. Pretty good pass catcher and devastating blocker. I think he was like a 3 star.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:13 pm to Sebastian
What does star have to do with anything?
Frazier isn't a 5star.
Also, comparing those early championship to what is going on now is out of touch.
The game has changed significantly since 2010, 12 and 13. Saban has adjusted our offensive philosophy and made adjustments to our personnnel (and size of some on defense).
If getting a great option like Gilbert, Washington or Frazier was of no importance we wouldn't habe focused so many resources on aquiring one of them.
Frazier isn't a 5star.
Also, comparing those early championship to what is going on now is out of touch.
The game has changed significantly since 2010, 12 and 13. Saban has adjusted our offensive philosophy and made adjustments to our personnnel (and size of some on defense).
If getting a great option like Gilbert, Washington or Frazier was of no importance we wouldn't habe focused so many resources on aquiring one of them.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:31 pm to YStar
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If getting a great option like Gilbert, Washington or Frazier was of no importance we wouldn't habe focused so many resources on aquiring one of them.
I don’t think anyone has said it is of no importance. You should definitely pursue those guys. I’ve just said getting one of them is not essential to success if you miss but they are great to have. Frazier seems like a great player and would love to have him, but if we ended up with someone like Hayden Hurst or Nick Boyle that is fine too if they are developed.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:36 pm to Carlton
NFL has a ton of great TE’s who were no stars in high school.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:55 pm to Sebastian
That's true, same for college. My argument is that while you should recruit them, rarely is the elite measurable athletic tight end essential to success in college, although great to have. If you miss as long as you recruit and develop solid athletes at the position you will be fine. If I only had one slot left and talent was comparable between the players, I would take any other non specialist position over a tight end.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 5:02 pm to Carlton
Nick needs to assign some off the field staff to comb Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana for some BB players that also played some football.
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