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Yahoo Sports - CFP Doesn't Need Expansion, It Needs Reform

Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:18 am
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:18 am
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If the conference championships were scrapped, here’s what we could have instead, using five automatic bids for the major conferences, three at-large bids and home sites for the first round:

No. 8 Washington at No. 1 Alabama, yes, in Tuscaloosa.

No. 7 UCF at No. 2 Clemson, yes, in Clemson.

No. 6 Ohio State at No. 3 Notre Dame, yes, in South Bend.

No. 5 Oklahoma at No. 4 Georgia, yes, between the hedges.

Which set of games would you choose to be the first round of your postseason/playoff? This is not a trick question
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Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:26 am to
I’ll say that the Championship games are stuck between a rock and a hard place and are all but penalizing us by making the #4 team play #1 while OSU and OU play lesser opponents. Championship games worked as a money maker preBCS but now have no actual benefit other than to solidify a meaningless conference champion in the greater context of defining a national champion. It’s a money making venture at best and an uneven hindrance to good teams at worst

Eliminate the Championship games and expansion is worth considering. Until then, we are stuck with an imperfect system
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25552 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:31 am to
8 teams encourages UCF scheduling.
Why make any risks out of conference? Just try to survive the conference with 1 loss would be the mentality = good chance to make the playoff. Survive undefeated = good chance for home game.

It is counterproductive.
Posted by socrow
Covington,GA
Member since Sep 2012
828 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:33 am to
I hope they figure out a way to keep the conference championships bc like Kirby said last year the SECCG is one of the best games of the year and it would suck to have that game taken away
Posted by Arch Madness
Charleston
Member since Jan 2018
1059 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:38 am to
I could see a scenario down the road where they possibly could go to an 8 team playoff. In order to do so they would have to scrap the conference championships because of player safety, school reasons, etc. One thing that I think that would shift however would be the end of conference divisions. A rotating schedule would need to be enforced to create parity and fairness. Especially if conferences decide to go to 16 team mega-leagues
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 11:48 am
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:39 am to
I'd love to see a 9 game SEC schedule, but crowning an SECC without having the 2 best teams in the conference play each other would be a shame.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:51 am to
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A rotating schedule would need to be enforced to create parity and fairness.


And you could still wind up with a 2 or even a 3 team tie.No thank you...dont want to ever see a conference champion determined by a a "vote" of ADs or the commissioner's office.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:54 am to
I've got no loyalty to divisions.

But I do think that the SECCG is one of the highlights of the season. It is easily the best regional game of the year.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 11:57 am to
Hard to argue with that lineup
Posted by BoogerSykes
Buckeye, AZ
Member since Sep 2012
1413 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 5:17 pm to
Five P5 champs, 3 at large bids. First round bye for the top 2 teams. whats the problem? Tons of money to be made imo.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 6:48 pm to
This year highlights the problem with automatic bids for P5 Champs, though. The PAC12 has no business being in consideration. UCF has a more legit claim than whichever team wins the PAC12, this year.

If the other conferences could handle their business, then the P5 Championship games could suffice for de facto quarterfinal rounds like it is for the SECCG.

At some point with a Final Four, there will likely come a day when the SEC cannibalizes itself to the point of getting left out, but the likelihood of the Everybody Gets a Trophy crowd getting their way and expanding the CFP field to 8+ is greater before that could happen.

And when it does, it'll be a sad day for CFB.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49231 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:09 pm to
Top 4 teams play at home in first round

Gives teams reason to not sit on arse the final week. Also 8 teams allows all power five champs to get in as well as three ar large teams.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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14160 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:11 pm to
I don’t like this solely because it excludes teams based on feels and the eyeball test. At some distant point in an alternate reality - would we see this statement:

quote:

The SEC has no business being in consideration. UCF has a more legit claim than whichever team wins the SEC, this year.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
6619 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:22 pm to
I'm for 8 teams as well. The weaker sisters will go home early. The cream will rise to the top. But 8 would end pretty much end any argument.

8 should get all 0 loss teams plus most 1 loss teams. Perhaps a hot 2 loss team too. UGA circa 2007 would have thrived in that playoff scenario. Even Herbstreit felt that at the end of the '07 season they were potentially the best team in the land. Hell that team finished 2nd in AP, 3rd Coaches.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 7:26 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:49 pm to
On a long enough time line, with CFB being the cyclical monster that it is, that could very well happen. It bothers me that a team/conference champ would feel entitled to the CFP just because they won their conference.

Does anyone think that Utah or Northwestern or whomever the non-Clemson ACC team is would be a legit contender?
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:47 am to
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Until then, we are stuck with an imperfect system



It will always be an imperfect system no matter what format they use. There will always be teams that "arguably should be in" and there will probably often be at least on team that's in that looks less deserving than one or more that are out.
Posted by Go_Dawgs
Member since Nov 2012
912 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:59 am to
I don’t think Conference Championship games should be scrapped, but the playoff needs to at least go to 6 games.

I’m fine with “best” teams way they try to do it now...

But having a Power 5 conference system and only 4 playoff spots has always seemed stupid to me.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:04 pm to
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It bothers me that a team/conference champ would feel entitled to the CFP just because they won their conference


See ...I like that.... as long as we’re talking P5 conferences and they each have a CG. Then any team that wins gets a shot....despite the opinions of the committees and football elites. It’s the American way. Why do you hate America?

Then you can also have centrally planned “at large” picks for the good teams as deemed by the elites that don’t get it done on the field and win their conference.

Like AL after we whip their arse this Saturday.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:12 pm to
So, if NW pulls the upset at tOSU, you honestly think they deserve a seat at the table?
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
14160 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:23 pm to
If they win the Big 10 and beat OState then why not? What’s the harm in it? A team that DIDN’T win their conference that everyone THINKS is better would lose that spot? Tough shite. Win and move ahead.

Who’s to say they’re not all better than any other conference and just beating each other up (for arguments sake of course).

If Valparaiso knocks out Duke in the second round of the NCAA do they not derserve to move on?
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:24 pm
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