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Why is everyone so hot on Smart?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:04 pm
dont get me wrong I really like Kirby,but dammit I want a Proven winner from the get go if that is possible with all the Coaching Jobs now
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:05 pm to 83dawg
Nobody here is. That's just the reports
I want a proven coach
I want a proven coach
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:25 pm to DawgCountry
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Nobody here is. That's just the reports
I want a proven coach
This.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:26 pm to GurleyGirl
Agree. Proven HC.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:30 pm to 83dawg
Have no idea and the last SEC coordinator hire to win a SECC was in fact CMR.Way too much risk in hiring an OC or DC and there's absolutely no time for OTJ training.
I would like for us to take a hard look at Fedora at UNC.They guy has proved himself at USM and now Carolina.
If we can't keep Pruitt I'd also like for him to bring Chizic with em.
I would like for us to take a hard look at Fedora at UNC.They guy has proved himself at USM and now Carolina.
If we can't keep Pruitt I'd also like for him to bring Chizic with em.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:44 pm to 83dawg
A question I have though is what constitutes a proven winner? We're not pulling Nick Saban or Urban Meyer away from their schools so you can go ahead and throw out any current elite coach at an elite school. There is Tom Herman, but he only has 1 more year of HC experience than Kirby Smart. Garry Patterson might fit the mold, but you're also hiring a guy who will be 56 at the start of the season so you may have to evaluate how long you want the next guy to be here.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:45 pm to DawgCountry
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proven coach
Two words....and the second one is...
BOBO
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:02 pm to SquatchDawg
Hell no to Bobo or Smart. We need not only a coaching change but a culture change if this is going to work
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:05 pm to Dawgholio
Smart is absolutely the best choice.
Long resume. Good recruiter. Very disciplined. Proven as a coordinator.
What head coach is beating Saban regularly that you would have as head coach? Hugh Freeze?
Long resume. Good recruiter. Very disciplined. Proven as a coordinator.
What head coach is beating Saban regularly that you would have as head coach? Hugh Freeze?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:07 pm to Dawgholio
I'm totally down with Mullen coming in to coach. He is a guy who has proven these past few years that he can do more with less, this is what you look for in a coach. Smart has the benefit of the best recruits in the country and working with Nick Saban on the defense. He's had his hand held so far, and he's going to have to learn out to be a head ball coach.
With Mullen, you don't have to hire an OC, so you can buy Schotty out and hope to hell you can keep Pruitt.
With Mullen, you don't have to hire an OC, so you can buy Schotty out and hope to hell you can keep Pruitt.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:08 pm to jodeaux
Smart is one of the reasons Alabama has such good recruits.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:10 pm to I B Freeman
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Smart is absolutely the best choice.
Long resume. Good recruiter. Very disciplined. Proven as a coordinator.
What head coach is beating Saban regularly that you would have as head coach? Hugh Freeze?
Smart has proven nothing other than he does what Saban tells him to do. He has zero experience as a head coach and has never done anything without Saban as his boss.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:14 pm to I B Freeman
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Smart is one of the reason's Alabama has such good recruiting
Give me 30 administrative assistants with hs coaching experience and I think I could come with a pretty good recruiting resume.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:19 pm to Dawgholio
Well Smart is credited as being one of the best recruiters in the SEC. His and any other coordinator's lack of head coaching experience isn't a huge deal to me because everyone has a first time at some point. It makes it a little bigger of a risk, but there are things in his favor which mitigate that risk some.
As far as a culture change, Smart shouldn't be nixed from your search considering there is nothing to suggest he would follow the current mold coming from the Saban tree.
As far as a culture change, Smart shouldn't be nixed from your search considering there is nothing to suggest he would follow the current mold coming from the Saban tree.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:31 pm to Dawgs28
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Smart is credited with being one of the best recruiters in the SEC
So was Ray Goff.Hell,its the main reason he got the job.
The new HC HAS to have head coaching expected preferably with a P5 school.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:09 pm to RD Dawg
True but Smart also gets credit with coaching some them unlike Goff lol
A proven HC at a P5 school is not going to be an easy thing to pull, and imo is a bit unrealistic. You can go ahead an eliminate any top coach already at an elite program because that just isn't happening.
Which just leaves this as probably the entire list of P5 coaches who have had success and are in a position where UGA would be an upgrade.
Jimbo Fisher - The only outlier on this list. He's been tied to multiple potential job openings over the last month or so. I don't know why he would leave FSU, but I'll leave him in here.
David Shaw - He has a pretty good gig at Stanford, but maybe enough money could pull him away.
Pat Narduzzi - Fairly successful in his first year at Pitt...only 1 more year of HC experience than Kirby Smart though so if you don't want a coordinator then he doesn't seem to fit.
Gary Patterson - Probably fits all your criteria, but by all accounts he's not leaving TCU until he retires.
Mike Gundy - He's had up and down success. I doubt it's the hire that would fall into what people think of a "proven HC" though.
Art Briles - He'll be 60 in 2016. Not really the right age for a new coach.
Kyle Wittingham - A mix of Mike Gundy's moderate success and Art Briles age (he's 56).
Bottom line unless they manage to pull Shaw from Stanford or Jimbo from FSU it's going to be a someone who has either a HC from a small non P5 school or a coordinator from a top tier P5 school.
A proven HC at a P5 school is not going to be an easy thing to pull, and imo is a bit unrealistic. You can go ahead an eliminate any top coach already at an elite program because that just isn't happening.
Which just leaves this as probably the entire list of P5 coaches who have had success and are in a position where UGA would be an upgrade.
Jimbo Fisher - The only outlier on this list. He's been tied to multiple potential job openings over the last month or so. I don't know why he would leave FSU, but I'll leave him in here.
David Shaw - He has a pretty good gig at Stanford, but maybe enough money could pull him away.
Pat Narduzzi - Fairly successful in his first year at Pitt...only 1 more year of HC experience than Kirby Smart though so if you don't want a coordinator then he doesn't seem to fit.
Gary Patterson - Probably fits all your criteria, but by all accounts he's not leaving TCU until he retires.
Mike Gundy - He's had up and down success. I doubt it's the hire that would fall into what people think of a "proven HC" though.
Art Briles - He'll be 60 in 2016. Not really the right age for a new coach.
Kyle Wittingham - A mix of Mike Gundy's moderate success and Art Briles age (he's 56).
Bottom line unless they manage to pull Shaw from Stanford or Jimbo from FSU it's going to be a someone who has either a HC from a small non P5 school or a coordinator from a top tier P5 school.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:45 pm to Dawgs28
Smart knows every significant high school coach within 500 miles of Athens.
He runs a very good defense. He has seen a top flight program and recognizes quality.
He runs a very good defense. He has seen a top flight program and recognizes quality.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:55 pm to I B Freeman
Last years semis:
Herman > smart
Herman > smart
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:57 pm to Dawgs28
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entire list of P5 coaches
Left off Fedora at UNC and Chizic as his DC...a guy who's a very good recruiter (knows Atl and SE as well as the other coaches mentioned and is am excellent DC)
Anyway,not gonna happen.Im convinced its Smart or Herman and please God let it be Herman and somehow keep Pruitt and his staff.I could live with it but not Smart.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:34 pm to I B Freeman
Jesus, IB are you his mama? I would love to see the expression on Kirby's face the first time an administration says no to him. It will likely be the first.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 7:37 pm
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