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djsdawg
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re: What Georgia's Missing
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There was a not even all that unlikely series of events that could have put us back in the lead... I


Which is why I wonder why so many people are losing their minds. We shouldn't even have been close after all of the injuries we have had, yet there we were down 11 late in the game, and that was with so many missed scores.


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Which is why I wonder why so many people are losing their minds. We shouldn't even have been close after all of the injuries we have had, yet there we were down 11 late in the game, and that was with so many missed scores.




Yep, even with all the injuries on defense, if we had had an accurate passer, we could have won that game.
In fact, if I was an offensive recruiting coordinator, one of the most important stats I would look at, other than athletic ability as a function of size, would be throwing mechanics and accuracy.
Bennett has uncommon athletic ability and even with his limited size and arm strength, if he could just throw accurately, it would make a huge difference in our offense.
A solid QB has to be able to place the ball to the outside of the receivers body on those back shoulder throws.
A good QB has to be able to drill the ball into the TE's gut when he does as button-hook type pattern.
And a good QB must be able to hit the WR in stride on a 20 yard slant.
This is what is mostly missing from our offense: QB accuracy.

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meansonny
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The brooks austin film study showed that Stetson changed his release point after the shoulder injury. He should have never gone back out there. The shoulder injury 100% affected his throws.


djsdawg
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Yep. Game was over as soon as we scored that 2nd td. Targeting took the QB and wr out, and we didn’t even get a 15 yard penalty or ejection out of it.


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fibonaccisquared
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people are losing their minds

Yeah.. it makes it a lot less interesting to come to the boards honestly. I'm on a lot less frequently.

One of these days, I'll probably formulate all my thoughts into some single post, but here's a bit of stream of consciousness (or unconsciousness as it may be for me with a newborn at home and a kindergartner in virtual school ensuring that I never get any sleep...)

I think there is a solid middle ground between:
1) Kirby is an idiot and mismanages everything, we're fricked and will never win anything of consequence going forward

and

2) Everyone is overreacting, we're super close and just have had bad luck, Kirby is a genius and knows more than all of us, etc...

Not to say you or anyone specific is exactly on those 2 extremes, but that's what it feels like often is being shouted back and forth because of the extreme hyperbolic nature of fan commentary.



Anyone who thinks Kirby should be fired or even on the hot seat hasn't looked around at the college football coaching landscape. There isn't a single coach that I'd be jumping up and down to grab even if I could wave a magic wand.

Saban - tGOAT, also is in the twilight of his career, no interest in moving on just to hit a dead end 2-4 years later and be back at square one (not even like he's an option)

Orgeron - no thanks. Clearly is only going to be as good as the coordinators he can hire

Riley - no thanks... I like his offensive prowess, but every single deficiency that people think Kirby has on offense, Riley has on defense it appears

Day - not enough of a body of work, but as with most tOSU coaches, feasting on a shite schedule IMHO

Swinney - The ACC is fricking hot garbage. They play a 2 game schedule once the playoffs start.


If you think Smart should be on the hot seat or replaced, you better have a really good idea as to who should replace him *and* be damn confident that you can land *and* keep them. There aren't many coaches I can envision that would be targets equal or better than Kirby that wouldn't be immediate flight risks for the NFL.


On the flip side of that, Kirby has a stubbornness that I'm not sure can be eliminated... maybe masked or minimized, but I think it will generally always be present to some degree. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he'll be more hands off with the offense and it's just the 2020 conditions have made it difficult for us to evolve (QB leaves, transfer QB leaves, 2nd transfer QB not healthy, etc...) but coming off of an open week before playing UK and having that stale of an offensive gameplan was disconcerting. Kirby wants to play the kids who practice the best and then seems surprised when we can only execute the type of plays that he seems to emphasize. In game situations, we don't take a lot of deep shots, and unsurprisingly, our QBs and receivers seem less than prepared to make those plays even when the play design has gotten them open.

This isn't really a knee jerk reaction, but rather something that feels like it shows up periodically, our pass defense against WRs is generally only as good as we are allowed to be aggressively physical in coverage. More often than not, it seems like Kirby's MO is to take away the run at all costs, and then by forcing teams into a single dimension, we can play a little more aggressively in pass coverage and it pays off. I recognize that modern football has made it extremely advantageous on the offense, but seemingly anytime we face a team with a QB capable of leading a WR a reasonable amount, we struggle. In the Rose Bowl, while we were getting beat, we were able to keep pace offensively. Fast forward to not having 2 all world RBs on the roster and a less capable QB, and obviously that's a lot more difficult.

It does seem odd that it usually takes Kirby and Co until half to make significant adjustments defensively. In the UF game, it was pretty clear they figured out a way to pick us repeatedly and that our ILBs were going to struggle covering wheel routes as they had them dialed up... The picks never getting called as penalties is pretty irritating (any reason why we don't do this more ourselves if the refs are going to stuff that flag up their asses?) but the wheel routes being left uncovered or having ILBs out of position routinely felt fixable before half at least (caveat being that I know Monty Rice is not at 100%).


GurleyGirl
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Nicely stated.
I like your balanced perspective.
I think we have to give Florida's offense a lot of credit.
Yes, our defense was depleted which explains the inability to stop their running game and the failed coverage on the wheel routes and more.
Bottom line: Trask is an accurate passer with excellent receivers and their offense was just too much for depleted and banged up defense to handle.
In a game like that (as with Bama) you have to have an offense that can keep up to give you a chance to win and our offense without an accurate QB simply can't get the job done.


chillmonster
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re: What Georgia's Missing
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I think there is a solid middle ground between:
1) Kirby is an idiot and mismanages everything, we're fricked and will never win anything of consequence going forward

and

2) Everyone is overreacting, we're super close and just have had bad luck, Kirby is a genius and knows more than all of us, etc...


Absolutely true. The only decision Kirby has made that I think was a personal failing with no reasonable excuse is hiring his buddy to run the offense - even though a lot of sports is run exactly that way. Everything else has viable reasoning behind it.

At the end of the day Georgia is still a top 5 program in the country, and has been for the last 3 years. One player away from competing for a natty is not a bad spot even though it's not ideal.


bigdawg7780
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I think we have to give Florida's offense a lot of credit.


They took advantage of our on-field communication with LeCounte out. The backups may run as fast and hit just as hard but none of them have seen the amount of variation on a field as Richard.


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fibonaccisquared
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I still think Kirby and Co mismanaged the shite out of Justin Fields. Instead of bringing him in for a random play here or there, or bringing him in for cleanup duty to hand the ball off, we could have been actually designing offensive plays/sets to let him show what he was capable of. That way when we got to LSU 2018, Jake having a shitty day, you could have actually made a change to try and shake things up. By not really having a grasp on how to manage him, we made things worse than if we'd simply redshirted him and put in a damn walk-on as backup (Stetson and/or Kirby's stubbornness about giving him a scholarship and losing a recruiting slot really fricked us that year in all honesty - if he'd stayed on, we probably would have RS'd Fields and I don't think he bails after year 1... but that's just speculation).


chillmonster
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I still think Kirby and Co mismanaged the shite out of Justin Fields.


I agree completely. Fields was slow rolled because Fromm wasn't responding well to the pressure. The calculation was correct as far as getting the best out of Jake, but it wasn't as far as giving a guy a real chance to compete.

However shortsighted, there was reasoning behind it - and it worked. If you think Jake is your best option and that's what it takes to get the most out of him maybe that's what you do.


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djsdawg
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having that stale of an offensive gameplan was disconcerting. Kirby wants to play the kids who practice the best and then seems surprised when we can only execute the type of plays that he seems to emphasize. In game situations, we don't take a lot of deep shots, and unsurprisingly, our QBs and receivers seem less than prepared to make those plays even when the play design has gotten them open.


Was it stale, or was it that our starting QB had a broke arse throwing shoulder on a targeting call that wasnt called? I havent rewatched it. Didnt help that our starting TE dropped a wide open pass that would have been a big gainer. Those play calls were for sure TD's with a good throw, which is exactly why Newman was our choice in the grad transfer market.


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The qb situation we are in is sad and determental to us making any kind of natty run
detrimental? You should say impossible. Detrimental to winning the division? Yes.


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djsdawg
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The qb situation we are in is sad and determental to us making any kind of natty run.


Can only blame the transfer portal on this.


chillmonster
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Can only blame the transfer portal on this


That's like blaming gravity.

Something everyone deals with is not an excuse.


djsdawg
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Something everyone deals with is not an excuse.


It was unprecedented for a high profile, non graduate player to get immediate eligibility, and it was granted due to an off the field comment from a person in the stands, so stop with the "it happens to everyone" BS. We were screwed in a very different manner.


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The picks never getting called as penalties is pretty irritating


My take on this: if they aren't going to call picks, then start having our defenders lay out the guys setting the picks. They won't be so eager to do this after getting clobbered a few times. And yes, I know we'd get penalized for it.

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but the wheel routes being left uncovered or having ILBs out of position routinely felt fixable before half at least


RB vs LB in space is the best matchup for an offense and it amazes me that more teams don't emphasize throwing to the RBs on something besides swings and screens. I would like to see a minimum of 15 plays a game where Cook or McIntosh is the #1 target on a pass route because no linebacker can cover those guys 1 on 1.

I have always thought that we criminally underuse our RBs in the passing game, going back to the days of Knowshon. Gurley, Michel, and Swift particularly all showed signs of being really good receivers out of the backfield and there wasn't a linebacker in college football who could cover any of them.

ETA: We aren't the only team who underuses the RBs in the passing game by a long shot. I'm not saying this to be critical of our coaches. I do believe that this will be the next offensive trend in football though.

I think it would be a good idea to have RBs practice with WRs some to learn better route running. When RBs line up outside, for the most part, they're there either as a checkdown option or to run a fly pattern like Cook did against Alabama. I would love to see our RBs line up wide and run a variety of pass routes. This could put defenses in a real bind because most linebackers can't play man coverage in space.
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bigdawg7780
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RB vs LB in space is the best matchup for an offense


Exibit A of you being correct


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fibonaccisquared
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Was it stale, or was it that our starting QB had a broke arse throwing shoulder on a targeting call that wasnt called?

In the Kentucky game? My comment was explicit to the UK game.

I didn't actually hate what we had dialed up for UF. Monken had some great play calls, generating open receivers, but between Stet's already limited capabilities and then the injured shoulder, it wasn't happening. Mathis obviously didn't improve our odds of connecting on those shots.


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fibonaccisquared
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My take on this: if they aren't going to call picks, then start having our defenders lay out the guys setting the picks. They won't be so eager to do this after getting clobbered a few times. And yes, I know we'd get penalized for it.


I don't even think you have to lay them out, just actually make an effort to try and run through them more and make a highly visual flop effort. If they still aren't getting called, then you can go the other route.

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RB vs LB in space is the best matchup for an offense and it amazes me that more teams don't emphasize throwing to the RBs on something besides swings and screens. I would like to see a minimum of 15 plays a game where Cook or McIntosh is the #1 target on a pass route because no linebacker can cover those guys 1 on 1.

I have always thought that we criminally underuse our RBs in the passing game, going back to the days of Knowshon. Gurley, Michel, and Swift particularly all showed signs of being really good receivers out of the backfield and there wasn't a linebacker in college football who could cover any of them.

Yes and no. It's defendable, or we'd have continued to get abused in the second half. It is a plus matchup for sure, and definitely agree that we don't do enough of it.


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What Georgia's Missing

This! Show me a QB who can deadlift 315 with a accurate arm and I'll say we got ourselves a legitimate DT QB. Throw Mims and Jones on the Oline, with the offensive talent we have and I feel 2020 woes will be behind us.



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