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re: Tom Crean's Progression
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:59 am to K9
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:59 am to K9
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in what way would you call his performance to date anything but a failure?
the OP was made before everyone started leaving. At the time of our last game being played I don't see any way you can say he'd been a failure considering he'd improved us literally every year on the court.
The portal has now ruined any chance of being good next year so obviously we're going to be in teh tank for a while.
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:36 am to WG_Dawg
even without the portal...what has he accomplished in his three years? Nothing...literally nothing at all lol
Thanks to his supremely shitty first year, yes he has improved year to year. but it is still below where we were before he started.
Meanwhile, Bama is in the Sweet 16 in year two of Oats. Arky is in the Elite 8 in year two of Musslemen.
Thanks to his supremely shitty first year, yes he has improved year to year. but it is still below where we were before he started.
Meanwhile, Bama is in the Sweet 16 in year two of Oats. Arky is in the Elite 8 in year two of Musslemen.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:42 am to WG_Dawg
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the transfer portal is killing college athletics
Feature, not bug.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:19 pm to K9
Basketball isn’t like football. You really don’t need a lot of time to “rebuilld.” It’s way easier to cover up issues on the court as well. There are no excuses for us to be in the current state of the program.
My buddy who went to UI said he felt sorry for us hiring him and said he didn’t have what it takes and so far, he’s been right.
My buddy who went to UI said he felt sorry for us hiring him and said he didn’t have what it takes and so far, he’s been right.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:34 pm to FaCubeItches
Simple fact is UGA basketball won’t ever be worth a shite until we get serious enough to treat the program like we treat football.
Build a standalone arena downtown. Go the UVA/Auburn route and make a statement to the industry that we are ready to play ball. Renovating and playing in an old livestock barn that has a mural of gymnastics, women’s basketball, and volleyball (2 programs of which have been far more successful than men’s basketball) isn’t gonna cut it given our competition. We are our own worst enemy in that regard; as an SEC school dropping boatloads on football, we clearly can do more but won’t and that’s the underlying message basketball recruits and actual good coaches (not retreads and fringe up and comers) see.
So until we decide to ante up, we will always be a lower tier program with flash in the pan success every couple of decades.
Build a standalone arena downtown. Go the UVA/Auburn route and make a statement to the industry that we are ready to play ball. Renovating and playing in an old livestock barn that has a mural of gymnastics, women’s basketball, and volleyball (2 programs of which have been far more successful than men’s basketball) isn’t gonna cut it given our competition. We are our own worst enemy in that regard; as an SEC school dropping boatloads on football, we clearly can do more but won’t and that’s the underlying message basketball recruits and actual good coaches (not retreads and fringe up and comers) see.
So until we decide to ante up, we will always be a lower tier program with flash in the pan success every couple of decades.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:17 pm to tylerdurden24
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Build a standalone arena downtown.
There is almost no land to build Downtown. They have built apartments everywhere. I agree with the sentiment, but it just isn't possible.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:20 pm to tylerdurden24
We have anted up. We are paying Cream the 22nd highest salary in the country. The facilities are what they are, but a good coach can make up that difference, and for 3.5 million we should be able to find a good coach.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 3:14 pm to mikehoncho69
It can and should be built as a part of the Classic Center. There were talks of doing it for years and it just never materialized
Posted on 4/2/21 at 3:16 pm to K9
Do you think Crean is worth the 22nd highest salary? My point is Georgia isn’t a destination for any actual coach worth a shite. If they’re seasoned vets, it’s a step down (except for has beens like Crean). If they’re legit up and comers it’s a stepping stone at best in a sea of better stepping stones.
Facilities reflect commitment and it’s pretty obvious what Georgia’s commitment is. It doesn’t matter what you’re willing to pay a coach if he doesn’t have the tools to recruit what he needs (which includes a serviceable recruiting budget and facilities)
Facilities reflect commitment and it’s pretty obvious what Georgia’s commitment is. It doesn’t matter what you’re willing to pay a coach if he doesn’t have the tools to recruit what he needs (which includes a serviceable recruiting budget and facilities)
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 7:47 am to tylerdurden24
Translation: we simply aren't a basketball school. Our fans don't care about basketball. Our donors obviously aren't into basketball and our admins are all about making UGA profitable and basketball is not a money making proposition which as an objective alumnus, I absolutely understand.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:04 am to GurleyGirl
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Translation: we simply aren't a basketball school. Our fans don't care about basketball. Our donors obviously aren't into basketball and our admins are all about making UGA profitable and basketball is not a money making proposition which as an objective alumnus, I absolutely understand.
Other schools in the SEC are starting to improve their programs tremendously despite being "football schools." The SEC is slowly becoming a basketball conference.
Crean actually did a great job promoting people to come to games his first few years. I think we have the pieces in place to improve as a program, it just starts with hiring the right HC.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:03 am to mikehoncho69
Yep you get a good coach in here that wins and the fans will come, the fans come and the revenue comes. That is when you can roll some of that revenue into facility upgrades.
But it needs to start with finding a coach that will win. Even if that coach only stays 3-4 years, providing a jolt to the program and fans by winning would make a huge difference.
But it needs to start with finding a coach that will win. Even if that coach only stays 3-4 years, providing a jolt to the program and fans by winning would make a huge difference.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 11:13 am to GurleyGirl
We can be whatever kind of school we want to be. Auburn and UVA weren’t basketball schools either 10 years ago.
We have packed Stegeman plenty of times over the years. People will pay to watch a winner. People in this state, especially won’t invest in another half-assed product that can’t seem to get over the hump. Pony up what it costs to make the program Nationally relevant or start sinking money into other teams like baseball to at least try to turn a profit. Cant keep being a one trick revenue pony, need to turn the basketball program into an actual moneymaker
We have packed Stegeman plenty of times over the years. People will pay to watch a winner. People in this state, especially won’t invest in another half-assed product that can’t seem to get over the hump. Pony up what it costs to make the program Nationally relevant or start sinking money into other teams like baseball to at least try to turn a profit. Cant keep being a one trick revenue pony, need to turn the basketball program into an actual moneymaker
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:04 am to Dawg4Life
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Truthfully if it happens. Fire crean without a plan. I’ve already seen him with a plan and all of these guys.
Agreed. I don't really know how any kid worth a damn would want to commit to him at this point. Might as well start over and try to rebuild with someone else. Crean isn't going to be able to clean this up.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:08 am to mikehoncho69
Only reason we won’t is because we don’t want to pay the buyout. At this point, we would apparently rather pay a guy to flame out hard next season than take a bath and try to retain what little talent we have.
Posted on 4/26/21 at 9:16 pm to tylerdurden24
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:17 am to tylerdurden24
I'm not familiar with Crean's contract but there's either justification for firing him for cause or not. I don't see our admins paying a huge buyout.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:37 am to GurleyGirl
Who would stay (instead of transferring/transfer back) if we got rid of Crean....
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:40 am to GurleyGirl
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I'm not familiar with Crean's contract but there's either justification for firing him for cause or not. I don't see our admins paying a huge buyout.
If they can't pony up $7m to get this shite stain out of our basketball program, then they should save the scholarship money for a women's field hockey team and let walk-ons play until his tenure is over, then shut down the program. Either you care about your athletics overall and willing to dump him for $7m or you should quit offering the sport at UGA. It's that simple now
ETA: Obviously my opinion on Crean has changed since the transfers and the former players speaking up. I did not feel this way after the season, but he is now a shite stain and I don’t see a single thing ever changing others perceptions of our program as long as he’s here
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 10:24 am
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