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re: The new “opt out” bowls
Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:46 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:46 pm to djsdawg
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Players want a chance to win RINGS.
Some of those bowl games give out rings. So you are sticking by your theory that UCF, and Coastal carolina and Cincinnati all have chances to beat Alabama, Clemson and ohio State. Okay.
I'm pretty tired of this argument.
Y'all have fun. I do believe the playoffs will be expanded in the next year or two, then you can make the argument that they need to go to 16 because High Schools and Div III football has them.
If you honestly believe those players think that they will beat the top 3 teams then it does no good to keep arguing. Some people just like to tear down the world just because they think the result has to be better.
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Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Some of those bowl games give out rings.
You know those rings arent the ones players play for.
I have presented the easiest way, and maybe only way, for CFB to reduce opt outs:
Decide champs like nearly every other league on earth does. Opting out isnt a problem there.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 9:35 pm to djsdawg
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Players want a chance to win RINGS. The playoff made non playoff bowls less important in the eyes of players. Makes a heck of a lot more sense to quit while there is no championship to play for.
You are projecting your own opinions into this. You don't get it. Just stop.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 10:05 pm to djsdawg
Plenty of high school kids play hurt to try and win championships. They delay early enrollment.
Imagine the state only took 4 schools and everyone else got invites to invitational exhibitions. Not hard imaging a lot of kids skipping that.
This and other problems in CFB are logical byproducts of the format.
Imagine the state only took 4 schools and everyone else got invites to invitational exhibitions. Not hard imaging a lot of kids skipping that.
This and other problems in CFB are logical byproducts of the format.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/28/20 at 10:06 pm to Peter Buck
So, from now on, when a team is mathematically eliminated from a shot at the Playoffs, we should all expect opt outs. Because it is all about the ring and that is all that matters to College football players. Because we all played...
Posted on 12/28/20 at 10:10 pm to Peter Buck
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Because it is all about the ring and that is all that matters
No, it just matters much more than almost anything else. Evidence shows it's about the only thing that can compete with (and trump) maximizing an opportunity in the pros.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 12/28/20 at 10:26 pm to chillmonster
Ya, no
Posted on 12/28/20 at 11:33 pm to Peter Buck
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You are projecting your own opinions into this. You don't get it. Just stop.
Sorry, but you dont have to be a washed up 1980's OL to make safe assumptions about the psychology going into opt out decisions. Hell, if you have proven anything, its that your experience doesnt mean shite in a discussion of this nature.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/29/20 at 6:54 am to chillmonster
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if you're not going to lay it on the line for a championship there's something wrong.
Next to millions of dollars, it's a meaningless accolade.
Remember back in 1998 when the Winter Olympics let NHLers in? The guys who went - especially the US and Canadian ones - were openly saying that gold medals didn't mean shite to them, only the Stanley Cup did. The same can also be seen with a lot of the NBA guys who go to the Summer Olympics; it doesn't mean much.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:23 am to DawgsLife
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I would still rather keep the playoffs at 4 teams, though and explore ways to keep the players engaged and not opting out.
Calling it quitting instead of opting out might create a negative stigma. That would help.
But realistically, now that the cat is out of the bag, players will start quitting when they fall out of playoff contention. Rivalry games and playing for good old State U don't matter to players like they used to.
I believe that every team should go into the season with a realistic goal of getting to the playoff. All conference champions should get in. College football is the only sport where half of the sport goes into the season knowing they have no path to win a title.
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:39 am to olddawg26
Ben Cleveland quits, err, I mean, *opts out*
Waiting until game week is chickenshit. Unless you told the coaches beforehand.
Waiting until game week is chickenshit. Unless you told the coaches beforehand.
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 7:41 am
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:45 am to djsdawg
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Sorry, but you dont have to be a washed up 1980's OL to make safe assumptions about the psychology going into opt out decisions. Hell, if you have proven anything, its that your experience doesnt mean shite in a discussion of this nature.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:52 am to DawgsLife
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So you are sticking by your theory that UCF, and Coastal carolina and Cincinnati all have chances to beat Alabama, Clemson and ohio State. Okay.
So you're sticking by your "theory" that Florida and Georgia wouldn't be competitive with Alabama and Clemson?
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:02 am to RD Dawg
Once UGA was eliminated from a shot at the playoffs, everyone opted out, so duhhhh!!!!
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:21 am to Peter Buck
Breaking News! Vandy, Miss State, USC, and Auburn all just opted out for the 2021 season. Sources say the programs will be back once they can “compete for rings”
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:21 am to Peter Buck
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Once UGA was eliminated from a shot at the playoffs, everyone opted out, so duhhhh!!!!
I'm talking a hypothetical playoff scenario and I would hope there'd be no opt outs.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:29 am to RD Dawg
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I'm talking a hypothetical playoff scenario and I would hope there'd be no opt outs.
I know... I am just mocking people who don’t understand what is happening. I think you have a decent handle.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:47 am to Peter Buck
After further thoughts on this, I realized that Millenials won’t understand what I am saying here. They think playing football is about the trophy, as they always got one.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:48 am to Peter Buck
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I realized that Millenials won’t understand what I am saying here. They think playing football is about the trophy, as they always got one.
Good one!
This has been my experience with the younger generations. Imagine my 23 year old, unemployed, economics/philosophy major, step-son explaining micro-economics to me as I geared down for retirement at age 58. College degrees are like little league participation trophies.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:33 am to djsdawg
quote:Yeah, I know. I was yanking your chain.
You know those rings arent the ones players play for.
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I have presented the easiest way,
You think blowing up the whole bowl system is the easiest way? Do you realize how it would affect contracts with the bowls, TV etc?
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Decide champs like nearly every other league on earth does. Opting out isnt a problem there.
You mean players playing in DIII don't opt out to get ready for the NFL? Shocker.
Seems obvious to me that we should stop giving scholarships, too, since some of those leagues don't give scholarships and they don't have a problem with opt outs. Obviously that is the answer.
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