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lewis and herschel
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Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
PAC 12 is horrendous.


wdhalgren
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
I think SEC officiating is corrupt. Not all of them, not all of the time, but some of them some of the time put their finger on the scale.


lewis and herschel
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
The offensive pass interfernce call is the worst call in the history of football outside of the spot in the Michigan SCU game.


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bunkerhill
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
I have been a fan and followed college football for decades. Pass interference is still the most subjective thing in football, imo. There were some flagrant pass interference plays that were called last night but some were not and I thought they were just as bad. The offensive pass interference called on Clemson, the TD catch, I thought was very iffy. It looked like both guys committed PI.

The SEC officials are as good as any other group out there.


AlaCowboy
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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The SEC officials are as good as any other group out there.


I think you meant to say "... are no worse than any other group out there."

I think the PAC12 guys called a fairly good game. They let both sides play off each other fairly evenly, but a few of the PI calls were iffy. As usual with PAC12 officials they allowed linemen downfield on pass plays all night. I think they called it 2 or 3 times.


lewis and herschel
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
My big issue was the Higgins call back, he was wide open, the DB was 3 yards away, ran up and grabbed the wr, then fell over and the wr got called for pi.

It was awful.


meansonny
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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My big issue was the Higgins call back, he was wide open, the DB was 3 yards away, ran up and grabbed the wr, then fell over and the wr got called for pi.

It was awful


Yeah. It is a lot for a ref to see. But "who initiated contact" and "was the opponent reaction roughly equal".

On that particular PI, the ref was out of position to see the DBs hands all over the receiver (and inside his jersey).

It should have been a non call. But refs have to be allowed to call what they see (and he couldnt see what the DB was doing).


lewis and herschel
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
That's a no call to me period. The DB was out of position and tried to tackle the wr.

You have to be sure to take a score of the board.


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AlaCowboy
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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My big issue was the Higgins call back, he was wide open, the DB was 3 yards away, ran up and grabbed the wr, then fell over and the wr got called for pi.


The WR was open because of the offensive PI that was called. he was pushed off and I think the official just got his hankie out late. It happened about 10 yards back.


meansonny
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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happened about 10 yards back.


Ummm no. It was virtually the exact opposite reason for the spacing.

The space was because of the 10 yard free release and inside leverage at the numbers on the field (the receiver had a ton of free room to run towards the pileon. The ball was underthrown allowing the defender to make ground and initiate contact with the receiver.

The receiver pushed off. But he pushed off the contact initiated by the defender (I hate those PI calls where one player does something illegal and the normal resulting action by the opponent gets called).

UGA has had defensive pass interference calls when the receiver stems the DB with his arm. The defender grabs the arm and removes it from the jersey and gets called for defensive holding. Pisses me off.


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DirtyDawg
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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Not all of them, not all of the time, but some of them some of the time put their finger on the scale.



The refs during the 1st half of the Auburn SECCG were so horrible that it seemed like they were under orders. The 2nd half they were much better, but it makes me wonder if someone told them to knock it off at halftime since it seemed so obvious. (At least to me and my butthurt nature at the time)


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lewis and herschel
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
No, he was open because he out ran the DB, slowed up to catch the ball and the DB tried to drag him down.

The wr did nothing but try to catch the ball.


HTDawg
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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No, he was open because he out ran the DB, slowed up to catch the ball and the DB tried to drag him down.

The wr did nothing but try to catch the ball.


I assume you're talking about this play? If not, I stand corrected. First of all, the receiver was never really open. Secondly, to suggest he did nothing is a bit disingenuous. The LSU CB only grabbed him after Higgins pulled him down. I don't see how the Higgins is doing nothing.

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meansonny
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
The defender initiated contact downfield. The receiver was tracking the ball. The defender wasnt (which makes that contact potential pass interference).

The reaction from the receiver is normal when the opponent is getting an advantage illegally.

It should have been a non call (actions by both). The ref didnt see the defender grab the receiver. And the ref ignored the fact that the receiver had a right to the ball as he was the only one looking for it.


HTDawg
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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The reaction from the receiver is normal when the opponent is getting an advantage illegally.


Maybe so, but a receiver can't gain an advantage by pulling a guy down by the jersey, which he clearly does.

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And the ref ignored the fact that the receiver had a right to the ball


Both have a right to the ball. The defender was trying to get his head turned but wasn't in a position to really do so.

This argument is why refs have an incredibly difficult job because two different people judge that play differently.
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djsdawg
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
Play wasn’t all that different than the first Florida td against us, except they flagged our dB and not their wr.


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lewis and herschel
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
DB does not have the right to the space the wr is occupying.


meansonny
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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DB does not have the right to the space the wr is occupying


Agreed. WR is running to a spot for the ball. DB is running into receiver (DB was beat. He was in desperation mode and wasnt focused on the ball at all).


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meansonny
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
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Maybe so, but a receiver can't gain an advantage by pulling a guy down by the jersey, which he clearly does.


The receiver has a right to remove a defender who has initiated contact. Absolutely. I couldnt disagree more.
The defender falls because he is flailing in desperation mode.

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Both have a right to the ball

Agree. But to have a right to the ball, you have to be making a play on the ball. Otherwise, the defender is taking a right into the receiver (which was his goal having been beaten)
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The defender was trying to get his head turned but wasn't in a position to really do so.

The defender wasnt trying to get his head around. He was desperate. He was flailing into the receiver to do anything to disrupt the catch. Sure. The defender didn't want to get beat. Wanted to get his head around. Wanted to high point the ball. All he accomplished was getting beat, running into the receiver, and tripping over his feet when the receiver pushed off and threw off his balance.

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This argument is why refs have an incredibly difficult job because two different people judge that play differently.

The job is even more difficult because the receiver is shielding the ref from the defender. The ref doesnt see the contact by the defender or the grab by the defender. All he sees is the push off. And the ref has to call what he sees.


Floyd Dawg
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re: Sec officials may suck but they are the best in the business,
I warned a bunch of tOSU and Clemson buddies that as much as they bitched about how bad the SEC officials were in their semifinal, what they would see in the final with the PAC 12 officials was going to be many times worse. They laughed and said I was crazy.

I woke up Tuesday morning (did not watch any of the game on Monday) to at least 10 texts saying variations of, "you were right."


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