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Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:09 pm to lewis and herschel
Posted on 2/5/20 at 6:09 pm to lewis and herschel
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Hell, with the number of teams destroying themselves, not sure 9 games adds much more to the difficulty but does let us play the west more often and cuts down on $1.6m payouts to UMass type teams.
Lots wrong with that post.
1) more sec teams is not more difficult. It is more of the same (duh). Ole miss, Arkansas, Miss St, and a 5+ loss A&M. It is no different than playing Vandy, Mizzou, Kentucky, Tennessee.
2) you think adding arkansas from the west means we arent scheduling UMass? You couldnt be more wrong. UMass is a home only game. Arkansas would be a home and home. Think this through. What opponent would Arkansas replace? It would replace Clemson, Notre Dame, etc..
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:19 pm to southernboisb
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Say "My Team" wants an annual rival who does poorly & goes to SEC2. "Your Team" does NOT want a rival. Is "My Team" at a disadvantage because they're not playing an ALL "SEC1" schedule?
Let's say UGA and UF agree to permanent rivalry.
UF shits the bed one year, and goes down to SEC2.
Bama says that's not fair, UGA gets to play an SEC2 school but we don't.
How is that different from schedule bitchers now? What real difference does it make? The same bitchers would be bitching under the current system, or a 9 game system, just like they are right now with Tennessee And Florida down lately... the east is weak so UGA has weak schedule bitch bitch bitch.
The SEC2 idea, in the big picture, eliminates almost all of that, and the only bitching that would remain are the handful of permanent rivalry games.
REgarding a "scheduling nightmare", not really, unless you aren't smart.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:25 pm to deeprig9
"Scheduling nightmare"
For SEC1-
Team A:
Week 1 vs newcomer to SEC1
Week 2 vs whoever you played last year in week 2.
Week 3 vs whoever you played last year in week 3.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
Team B:
Week 1 vs whoever you played last year in week 1.
Week 2 vs newcomer to SEC1.
Week 3 vs whoever you played last year in week 3.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
Team C:
Week 1 vs whoever you played last year in week 1.
Week 2 vs whoever you played last year in week 2.
Week 3 vs newcomer to SEC1.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
See how simple it would work? There's really only 1 rotational/everchanging conference game each year, and could easily be two.
The logistics aren't a nightmare. Hell, teams get bowl selections a thousand miles away with 11 days notice and find a way to make it work.
For SEC1-
Team A:
Week 1 vs newcomer to SEC1
Week 2 vs whoever you played last year in week 2.
Week 3 vs whoever you played last year in week 3.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
Team B:
Week 1 vs whoever you played last year in week 1.
Week 2 vs newcomer to SEC1.
Week 3 vs whoever you played last year in week 3.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
Team C:
Week 1 vs whoever you played last year in week 1.
Week 2 vs whoever you played last year in week 2.
Week 3 vs newcomer to SEC1.
Week 4 vs whoever you played last year in week 4.
And so forth.
See how simple it would work? There's really only 1 rotational/everchanging conference game each year, and could easily be two.
The logistics aren't a nightmare. Hell, teams get bowl selections a thousand miles away with 11 days notice and find a way to make it work.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:17 pm to deeprig9
That's not really what I was asking. My intent was is considering "SEC1" treated like the NFL & "SEC2" treated like an FCS school...basically giving "SEC1" the nod?
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:22 pm to deeprig9
My concern would be determining H/A since that that 1 game is a random opponent.
Say, for ex., somebody stays in SEC1 for 5 years, but the 6th they just bomb. How does that get scheduled?
Say, for ex., somebody stays in SEC1 for 5 years, but the 6th they just bomb. How does that get scheduled?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:36 am to southernboisb
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My concern would be determining H/A since that that 1 game is a random opponent.
I suppose you have make sure the home and home with the permanent team or the team you played the year before must coincide
with the rotation slot just in case they go to the other division and how would the home team be decided after a year absence?
And rotating teams that play an away game in the other division obviously might not ever get a chance for a return game.
Works out better home and home wise if it's done every other year.
Doesn't matter though it'll never happen.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:15 am to deeprig9
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The logistics aren't a nightmare. Hell, teams get bowl selections a thousand miles away with 11 days notice and find a way to make it work.
Because the bowls take care of the logistics way ahead of time and teams only have to worry about getting there and since they're played in bigger cities
with big airports its a relatively easy task.
Getting in and out of small college towns with much smaller
hotel space and airports takes a little more planning.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:51 pm to deeprig9
"lose mizz and tamu"
Deerig nailed it. Tell A&M and Mizzou thanks but please disperse. A&M can go back to the Big 12 or whatever that is and Mizzou can try again for the Big 10 which is where they wanted to be anyway.
OR
Keep those two dregs of the conference and add either Clemson and Va Tech or OU and Okie State.
OU wont come to the SEC without Okie State they are tied at the hip.
Deerig nailed it. Tell A&M and Mizzou thanks but please disperse. A&M can go back to the Big 12 or whatever that is and Mizzou can try again for the Big 10 which is where they wanted to be anyway.
OR
Keep those two dregs of the conference and add either Clemson and Va Tech or OU and Okie State.
OU wont come to the SEC without Okie State they are tied at the hip.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 8:08 am to deeprig9
I like the relegation idea.. just seems like a nightmare figuring out who is in which for every sport...
I mean if UK finishes last in football , and first in basketball.. you can’t base the leagues on just football across the board.
I mean if UK finishes last in football , and first in basketball.. you can’t base the leagues on just football across the board.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:25 am to 3rddownonthe8
I’ve posted this before, but I’m a fan of a format where every SEC team has 3 permanent opponents (so the important rivalries get protected as yearly games) and rotates for the other 5 games.
All rivalries get protected, and you see every team in the SEC in 2 years. Don’t even have to go to a 9 game conference schedule. Boom fixed!
All rivalries get protected, and you see every team in the SEC in 2 years. Don’t even have to go to a 9 game conference schedule. Boom fixed!
Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:54 am to ValDawgsta
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I’m a fan of a format where every SEC team has 3 permanent opponents (so the important rivalries get protected as yearly games) and rotates for the other 5 games.
Agreed. FootballScoop - How to Fix the SEC Scheduling Problems, Once and For All
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:31 am to VoxDawg
A very nice solution from my perspective.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:03 pm to VoxDawg
How do you determine SEC CG contenders?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:10 pm to deeprig9
My guess is it’d be top two conference records with the obvious head to head tie breaker if teams had the same record.
Things would get weird if you had the following standings in a year where Bama and A&M didn’t play:
Georgia 8-0
Bama 7-1
A&M 7-1
Maybe you would use playoff committee standings at that point?
Things would get weird if you had the following standings in a year where Bama and A&M didn’t play:
Georgia 8-0
Bama 7-1
A&M 7-1
Maybe you would use playoff committee standings at that point?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:35 pm to deeprig9
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How do you determine SEC CG contenders?
It's been a while since I read the article from CS, but I agree with higher CFP ranking would be the best, with maybe some consideration given to common-opponent record.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:39 pm to VoxDawg
Maybe let the SEC Coaches vote. They would have paid closer attention to all the teams than the committee people. What is it Jeff used to call those people?
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:50 pm to VoxDawg
On an odd year we would play Florida,Auburn, Alabama, and LSU. That kinda sucks.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:02 pm to ValDawgsta
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Maybe you would use playoff committee standings at that point?
Big XII does it now and this is their tie breaker
LINK
Works for me.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:02 pm to ValDawgsta
Hince my argument against this & keeping divisions.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:10 pm to VoxDawg
I don't know the math, but...
A. What are the chances of NO common opponents?
B. Say Team 2 beat Team 3...who beat the school Team 2 lost to? You have contradicting results.
A. What are the chances of NO common opponents?
B. Say Team 2 beat Team 3...who beat the school Team 2 lost to? You have contradicting results.
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