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re: Questions for the Stetson haters

Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:09 pm to
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What’s wrong with speculating that there might be a more talented qb on the roster?


Not a thing.
It's not being wrong. It's the sheer volumn of hot takes you spew forth, then you don't understand why we don't agree with you.

Is that what you were doing when you posted these? Just asking if we have a better QB on the roster?:
I forgot Bennett held Alabama to all those redzone field goals… guess you missed the entire first 3 quarters ...


Lol yes he was on a National championship winning team just like Buck Belue. But let’s be real neither of them are the sole reason why we won a National championship
After you posted this I aksed you to name any player that was the sole reason their team won a championship. Now is your chance to clear up the confusion. Mind naming them?

And this hot take of yours:

Sorry but it’s going to take more than 24 points to beat Bama, and a hell of a lot more than 7 points after half ...

On JT Daniels testing positive for covid:
He didn’t test positive… it’s just a way for Kirby to keep him out of practice so he can say “well JT wasn’t up to speed” after the mail man craps the bed...

If you want to beat Bama you have to find a way to put up at least 30-40 points, Kirby has yet to score more than 28 on Saban and he gets shutdown in the 2nd half every game. Go back and look at all the better teams Kirby has faced, he proves time and time again he cant put up points, he wins most of the games but against the better offense Kirby always gets blown out!

Exactly HUGE if… Kirby is in his 6th year as HC and we are having to rely on a walk on… 6 years and hasn’t developed a QB worthy of a 1st/2nd round pic, such a “great recruiter” but hasn’t figured out the most important position on the field.. this is what happens when you make defensive coordinators head coaches



Fromm couldn’t put up more than 23 points against Bama in 2017(far from lights out) just like Bennett has never put up more than 24 against them! When are people going to realize you have to have a GREAT offense to win a natty?!? ...

Everyone should be worried if Stetson starts against Michigan Bc we will probably beat them but unfortunately he doesn’t have what it takes to beat Bama.. Sorry just my opinion, that means JT and Beck are more than likely to transfer out and Kirby will start him again next year over Brock and the true freshman coming in.

ETA
You've made 45 total posts and these are 9 of them. 20% of your posts....hot takes!

"Why doesn't everybody value my opinion?"-Brad5291
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted by HypersonicDawg
Member since Sep 2019
103 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:17 pm to
That's what I don't understand, you all keep bringing up Stafford, did I miss a couple Natty's he won at UGA or something? Why is everyone so obsessed with the flashy qb's that have never produced for us what Stetson did?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:22 pm to
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That's what I don't understand, you all keep bringing up Stafford, did I miss a couple Natty's he won at UGA or something? Why is everyone so obsessed with the flashy qb's that have never produced for us what Stetson did?




And therein lies the problem. Some would rather have a QB go to the NFL rather than a QB that helped us win a title. It boggles the mind.

Can't be happy that we won a title. We have to win it with a an NFL worthy QB or it is somehow tainted.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted by HypersonicDawg
Member since Sep 2019
103 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:23 pm to
What makes you think he would give any job to someone who doesn't give us the best chance to win? Pretty sure Kirby has played the best player available at every position since he's been in Athens
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
106 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:34 pm to
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After you posted this I aksed you to name any player that was the sole reason their team won a championship. Now is your chance to clear up the confusion. Mind naming them?


Yes, Herschel Walker and Cam Newton

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Sorry but it’s going to take more than 24 points to beat Bama, and a hell of a lot more than 7 points after half ...


I was correct… it took 33 and we scored more than 7 points in the second half

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If you want to beat Bama you have to find a way to put up at least 30-40 points


The only time Kirby beat Bama he scored more than 30 points…. Correct again

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Fromm couldn’t put up more than 23 points against Bama in 2017(far from lights out) just like Bennett has never put up more than 24 against them! When are people going to realize you have to have a GREAT offense to win a natty?!? ...


Sorry I was wrong you can win a natty with a great defense… one that doesn’t come around often

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Everyone should be worried if Stetson starts against Michigan Bc we will probably beat them but unfortunately he doesn’t have what it takes to beat Bama.. Sorry just my opinion, that means JT and Beck are more than likely to transfer out and Kirby will start him again next year over Brock and the true freshman coming in.



I was right about him beating UM but wrong about my take on him vs Bama but it was my opinion after watching his first 2 tries. And JT is transferring out and i still thing Beck will do the same… and yes Stetson will start every game next year Bc he is a NC QB

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ETA
You've made 45 total posts and these are 9 of them. 20% of your posts....hot takes!

"Why doesn't everybody value my opinion?"-Brad

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And I really hope this is your job Bc if it’s not you have way too much time on your hands after looking up all of my old comments

And I don’t care who values my opinion but it’s very obvious that you do….






This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:03 pm to
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Yes, Herschel Walker and Cam Newton



Herschel. Yes, I can see that. Except....the defense shut down a very good Notre Dame Offense. Yes. He was our only offense.
Cam Newton? No. Their defense was ferocious. Nick Fairley? The Auburn defense even got a safety in that game.In a 22-19 game Auburn does nto win that game without that defense. Sorry. So....you MIGHT have a point with Walker but had to go back to 1980....yet you expected Stetson Bennett to do it by himself or he shouldn't have been there?

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I was correct… it took 33 and we scored more than 7 points in the second half
Ummmm....no. It didn't take more than 24 because Alabama scored 18.
It took 19 points to beat them. You can't see the fallacy of your thought process? We scored 33 but it took 19 to beat them.

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The only time Kirby beat Bama he scored more than 30 points…. Correct again


Are you seriously going to make the argument that if we had scored 19 points we would not have beaten them?



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Sorry I was wrong you can win a natty with a great defense… one that doesn’t come around often

Exactly.

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I was right about him beating UM but wrong about my take on him vs Bama but it was my opinion after watching his first 2 tries. And JT is transferring out and i still thing Beck will do the same… and yes Stetson will start every game next year Bc he is a NC QB
Are you always of the opinion that if you don't do it in two tries you can never do it? Pretty weak philosophy.

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And I really hope this is your job Bc if it’s not you have way too much time on your hands after looking up all of my old comments


Took me about 5 minutes. Dude, you have 45 posts. Besides. I am retired. I have all the time I want and I can do it as much as I like.

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And I don’t care who values my opinion but it’s very obvious that you do….


If I valued your opinion we wouldn't be having this conversation, now would we? See? Another hot take thta ahs been proven wrong.


I love it, though. Alabama scores 18 points and you still claim it took 33 to beat them because it is how many we scored. Not because we had to...but because that is what we scored.

I'm glad we didn't score 100 points or you would claim we couldn't beat them unless we scored 100 points.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:10 pm to
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I think the concern here is that Kirby will look at QB1 as Stets job to lose.

Isn't it? I mean if Bennett is the first string QB, then it is the other QBs job to take it. If they cannot, then Stetson is the QB. It's been that way for eons.

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I just want to see Brock, Gunner and Stet to all have an equal chance of winning the job.

They do. They just aren't going to be given the job based upon star ratings.

Look. Kirby is making $8 million a year, give or take. Do you think he is going to throw somebody out there just to see how it goes? Would YOU risk $8 million a year just for giggles?

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Maybe my angst is unjustified but thats how I see it
You shouldn't see it that way at all. For the reasons I gave you. Do NOT fall into the star rating system trap. We have had many players rated low that have done extremely well, and some highly rated players that have done poorly. Le the coaches decide who is best and sit back and relax and enjoy the show. If the coaches make poor decisions, they will not be our coaches for long. And for gosh sakes don't let some guy on a message board influence your decisions.....think about what is said. Weigh it with results then decides.

We won a title. That give Kirby Smart and coaches the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by Lucius Clay
Member since Sep 2012
3420 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Seems like this whacky antistet stuff is pervasive right now. Im glad we are at least making a stand here.


Ha! This is rich... Look a the threads on page 1. 90% of the threads where "antistet stuff" is coming up have actually been started by four people making comments about the "antistet stuff" - basically calling for reactions. (Not to mention the asine "Cunathon" that another of you with too much time on your hands is doing...but in a tangent, I'm delighted I've made such a great push in the playoff)

Hint: The "making a stand" is actually increasing what you are (claiming) that you want to stop.

Prediction: At this rate, we will see even more depending on what happens between now and spring with transfer portal and several other developments.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
106 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:34 pm to
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Cam Newton? No. Their defense was ferocious. Nick Fairley? The Auburn defense even got a safety in that game.In a 22-19 game Auburn does nto win that game without that defense. Sorry. So....you MIGHT have a point with Walker but had to go back to 1980....yet you expected Stetson Bennett to do it by himself or he shouldn't have been there?


Yes they had a great defense but Cam put that team on his back the entire year. Especially in the iron bowl

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Ummmm....no. It didn't take more than 24 because Alabama scored 18.
It took 19 points to beat them. You can't see the fallacy of your thought process? We scored 33 but it took 19 to beat them


Well technically we went up 26 to 18 late in the game so yes it took more than 24… the defense got us to 33

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Are you seriously going to make the argument that if we had scored 19 points we would not have beaten them?


Would you have really wanted it to be a 19-18 late in the 4th with Bama on offense? Bryce young probably doesn’t throw that pick with them only needing a FG with that much time on the clock left… totally different scenario

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Are you always of the opinion that if you don't do it in two tries you can never do it? Pretty weak philosophy.


That’s not a philosophy just an opinion, i also stated a few other opinions on what I thought it would take to beat them… I’ve admitted when I was wrong but you won’t admit when I’m right…

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Took me about 5 minutes. Dude, you have 45 posts. Besides. I am retired. I have all the time I want and I can do it as much as I like


I’m glad you’re enjoying your retirement arguing on the WWW.

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If I valued your opinion we wouldn't be having this conversation, now would we? See? Another hot take thta ahs been proven wrong.


I love it, though. Alabama scores 18 points and you still claim it took 33 to beat them because it is how many we scored. Not because we had to...but because that is what we scored.

I'm glad we didn't score 100 points or you would claim we couldn't beat them unless we scored 100 points.

I never said it took 33 to beat them I said it would take more than 24, then I also said we would need to score at least 30-40 Bc Kirby smart has never scored more than 28 points against Bama and he was 0-4 before the National Championship game.
Posted by Lucius Clay
Member since Sep 2012
3420 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:39 pm to
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Would YOU risk $8 million a year just for giggles?


Coaches making large amounts of money have done everything from punch an opposing team's player on national tv to getting sexually involved with a college student to who knows what else that hasn't made the news over the years.

This isn't a Kirby Smart-related comment but a high salary doesn't necessarily mean that every decision a coach makes is correct, rational, or not influenced by emotions.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 3:41 pm
Posted by mikehoncho69
Member since Dec 2019
968 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:01 pm to
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What makes you think he would give any job to someone who doesn't give us the best chance to win?


Kirby picks favorites. It's pretty simple to see
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:02 pm to
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Yes they had a great defense but Cam put that team on his back the entire year. Especially in the iron bowl


But they could not have won it without the defense. It was not a one man wrecking crew like people like to claim.
In 2010 Auburn beat MState 17-14 Defense won that one.
Cam threw for 136 yards and ran for 70. Hedid nto run for a TD and threw one with 1 Int. If not for the defense they would have lost that game. there is no doubt that without Cam Newton they do not win the Title. But you said Bennett did not win the title on his own. No QB has ever won a title on their own. They have to have good WRs, defense, RBs...Nick Fairley had 11.5 sacks. You take him off Auburn and they would not have won the title.

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Well technically we went up 26 to 18 late in the game so yes it took more than 24… the defense got us to 33


Again. No. It would take 19 to win. had we scored 19 points we would have won. Please tell me you see that.

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That’s not a philosophy just an opinion, i also stated a few other opinions on what I thought it would take to beat them… I’ve admitted when I was wrong but you won’t admit when I’m right…

Your opinion was that Bennett could not beat Alabama after two games. After two games Bennett beat Alabama. How is that right?

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Would you have really wanted it to be a 19-18 late in the 4th with Bama on offense? Bryce young probably doesn’t throw that pick with them only needing a FG with that much time on the clock left… totally different scenario


Would I want it to be? nope. But I also am not going to play what if to make my point. You want to go into "what if" territory. Ok. What if they decide to run the ball and they fumble? We can play what if all you want. But why do that when we know what happened?

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I’m glad you’re enjoying your retirement arguing on the WWW.


I really am. I highly recommend it. My wife is still working out of choice so I have plenty of time. I have hobbies, work in the yard. I go to bed when I want. get up when i want. Do what I want. It's nice. I invested wisely and retired when I was young.(Relatively)

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I never said it took 33 to beat them I said it would take more than 24, then I also said we would need to score at least 30-40 Bc Kirby smart has never scored more than 28 points against Bama and he was 0-4 before the National Championship game.




But we didn't need to score 24. And we didn't need to score 30-40. We needed to score 19 to beat them.


Posted by mikehoncho69
Member since Dec 2019
968 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:08 pm to
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Isn't it? I mean if Bennett is the first string QB, then it is the other QBs job to take it. If they cannot, then Stetson is the QB. It's been that way for eons.


Generally speaking you are correct. But there are instances where I don't think this applies as much. Remember Trent Dilfer got cut right after the Super Bowl in 2000? Not saying Stet should've been told to pack his bags, but I don't think he has the talent to be guaranteed the job next year. ON PAPER there are some talented guys who deserve a look too.

I'm just hoping they take emotions out of it and pick the best guy they see.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:23 pm to
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Generally speaking you are correct. But there are instances where I don't think this applies as much. Remember Trent Dilfer got cut right after the Super Bowl in 2000? Not saying Stet should've been told to pack his bags, but I don't think he has the talent to be guaranteed the job next year. ON PAPER there are some talented guys who deserve a look too.


Let me put it another way. just as an example and this is, of course just speculation.

Let's say Carson beck transfers and it's pretty much a given that JT Daniels will. That leaves us eith Bennett, Brock Vandegriff and Gunner Staockton. Vandegriff has one year of experience under his belt, and of course Stockton none.

Let's say Vandegriff wins the QB position and looks really good, then get injured. Who would you rather see running out onto the field? Stockton...the true freshman with zero experience? Or Stetson Bennett, the veteran with all kinds of experience?

With two relatively young QBs on the roster, would you think it advantageous to have somebody like Bennett on the roster to help them learn how to read defense, help them with film work and learn the playbook?

What if neither Vandegriff or Stockton is ready to go? Would you rather our offense be limited in the playbook, because a transfer QB came in and has to learn a whole new system, or to have a QB that knows the playbook?

People talk about our defense won't be as good, but Bennett directed drives against Michigan AND Alabama of significant lengths. He can direct long drives against very good defenses.

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I'm just hoping they take emotions out of it and pick the best guy they see.

Kirby Smart has $8 million reasons not to allow emotions to drive that decision. People who speculate that a coach is letting emotions or "only playing a player because he is a senior" do not know football and what is at stake. High School? That happens I have no doubt. Major college? I would be shocked. Too much money involved. You don't become a major college coach by being an old softy. Are there some nice guys coaching? yeah. I'm sure there are. Does Kirby appear to be an old sentimental type to you?

You can decide this for yourself. But use logic and what you have seen....not what some message board poster has told you.
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
106 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:56 pm to
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Isn't it? I mean if Bennett is the first string QB, then it is the other QBs job to take it. If they cannot, then Stetson is the QB. It's been that way for eons


I actually knew someone during the 2020 covid season when the media was not allowed at the practices.. and this person and the people this person was with(not apart of the coaching staff) said it was very apparent the JT Daniels was the better QB and Kirby still continued to play Bennett. Kirby has favorites like Jake Fromm. Now I’m not saying things didn’t change this past year but Kirby has favorites and it’s easy to tell …
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:00 pm to
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I actually knew someone during the 2020 covid season when the media was not allowed at the practices.. and this person and the people this person was with(not apart of the coaching staff) said it was very apparent the JT Daniels was the better QB and Kirby still continued to play Bennett. Kirby has favorites like Jake Fromm. Now I’m not saying things didn’t change this past year but Kirby has favorites and it’s easy to tell …


So, this season in camp, when Bennett was not even running with the 3 deep and JT was the starter, who exactly was playing favorites?
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6945 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:40 pm to
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1. I don't think he's a bum but I felt like we needed a better passing game than he provides. I thought a healthy JTD provides more of a vertical passing threat.


The problem is that there seems to be some question on whether JT was ever healthy enough to play any meaningful snaps. Team doctors said yes but JT and his family seemed to disagree. If a coach wants to send a player in and that player says he doesn't want to play, then should the coach say, "Well, tell me when you want to play." No. Sit the player.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
2282 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:48 pm to
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Help me understand your idiotic thinking.


Thinking is exactly what it is NOT. Pure pride. People are too small to admit they were wrong on something as trivial as a sports message board under an assumed moniker. That's small.
Posted by RattletrapDawg
Valdosta
Member since Sep 2012
2056 posts
Posted on 1/22/22 at 10:27 am to
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My favorite is the ones coming from "Real Dawgs", and ask, oh what year did you graduate from UGA?

I ask those idiots when did they serve in the Military.
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 10:30 am
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