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re: Possible candidates to replace Jim Chaney as Georgia
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:05 am to meansonny
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:05 am to meansonny
A couple of things about those analogies:
#1- the NFL is a totally different monster than CFB. 95% of the time in college, the team with the superior talent will win the game. In the NFL, it is far more dependent upon coaching and X’s and O’s.
#2- Yes, Schottenheimer sucked a big fat dick, but that offense had nowhere near the OL or QB talent that this team has. Under Chaney we were basically just a team that lined up and pushed people off the ball; it was nothing ground breaking and extremely predicatable but still put up gaudy numbers. I’m not saying that Coley is going to be a major improvement at OC, but I don’t think he will be any worse than Chaney; and Chaney was good enough for a lot of members of our fan base. Coley will, more than likely, keep the same system in place and that means that Fromm and Co aren’t trying to learn a new offense and negating the fact that we return a ton of experience on that side of the ball.
And one other thing: Kirby would rather a staff filled with great recruiters and mediocre coaches than the other way around. Coley fits the mold of a great recruiter so Kirby will do what he can to keep him around.
#1- the NFL is a totally different monster than CFB. 95% of the time in college, the team with the superior talent will win the game. In the NFL, it is far more dependent upon coaching and X’s and O’s.
#2- Yes, Schottenheimer sucked a big fat dick, but that offense had nowhere near the OL or QB talent that this team has. Under Chaney we were basically just a team that lined up and pushed people off the ball; it was nothing ground breaking and extremely predicatable but still put up gaudy numbers. I’m not saying that Coley is going to be a major improvement at OC, but I don’t think he will be any worse than Chaney; and Chaney was good enough for a lot of members of our fan base. Coley will, more than likely, keep the same system in place and that means that Fromm and Co aren’t trying to learn a new offense and negating the fact that we return a ton of experience on that side of the ball.
And one other thing: Kirby would rather a staff filled with great recruiters and mediocre coaches than the other way around. Coley fits the mold of a great recruiter so Kirby will do what he can to keep him around.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:11 am to Crowknowsbest
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I get what you're saying, but the talent level also deteriorated in that transition, particularly at QB and OL.
When you don't convert 1st downs, all of the talent appears deteriorated. The offense has to hold the ball in order to showcase the talent and get the talent enough touches.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:12 am to Crowknowsbest
With noted exception, Georgia recruits itself for the most part and with a bunch of A+ recruiters already on staff I would much rather hire an A+ coach/ C+ recruiter than a C+ coach/ A+ recruiter to run our offense.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:12 am to crispyUGA
There is a danger to the valuing recruiters over coaching. We just witnessed equal talent in the National Championship game and I'd say coaching won out.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:14 am to crispyUGA
Crispy you make a good point. I think the mostly likely and likely our best outcome is to hire a stud assistant with Coley. Isn’t Lily in the NFL now?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:15 am to Damn Good Dawg
Lily is at Tennessee in an off-field role.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:15 am to Hobnail
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I would much rather hire an A+ coach/ C+ recruiter than a C+ coach/ A+ recruiter to run our offense.
I don't disagree, but the trade-off is never that clear.
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With noted exception, Georgia recruits itself for the most part
I disagree with this. It doesn't recruit itself to a point of genuinely competing for championships, at least. No school "recruits itself" at that level.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 10:17 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:16 am to Dawgman77
I don’t disagree that it can be a dangerous philosophy, but it is Kirby’s philosophy as he has publicly stated it before.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:16 am to crispyUGA
You seem to forget some of the issues that Bobo had to coach around in terms of talent.
Joe cox? Hutson Mason? Tereshinski?
The Davises on the interior line? The plethora of injuries in seasons.
My issue is that people on message boards float around words and don't want to take what they say seriously (it can't get any worse; it would be hard to screw it up).
The reality is that football is hard. It can get worse. It is easy to screw it up. These decisions by Kirby matter a ton.
Joe cox? Hutson Mason? Tereshinski?
The Davises on the interior line? The plethora of injuries in seasons.
My issue is that people on message boards float around words and don't want to take what they say seriously (it can't get any worse; it would be hard to screw it up).
The reality is that football is hard. It can get worse. It is easy to screw it up. These decisions by Kirby matter a ton.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:16 am to crispyUGA
No shite? Wasn’t he just in the NFL? How is that dude not already hired? Lilly sucked to lose and I loved he guy in Athens.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:20 am to Damn Good Dawg
He was with the Rams under Jeff Fisher, but was let go when Fisher was fired. Then Pruitt brought him in when he got the UT job.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:22 am to meansonny
I may be wrong but 1) Joe T was QB in 2006 and Bobo wasn’t OC until 2007, right?
2) Joe Cox hurt but I’d take Joe Cox over Lambert or Ramsey. He was a turnover machine but also threw 25 TD
3) Hutson mason gets shite on so much and I think it’s kuch undeserved. The guy wasn’t Aaron Murray and that’s why he’s hated. He was an efficient game manager and stuck around to do it. Our team plummeted after he left and likely would have been far worse off if he had transferred. Bobo was also the one putting Mason in a position to make these big time plays that everyone holds on to. Bobo called the play action on the goal line vs USC. Bobo was the one having Mason throw it vs GT in OT.
Here’s my thing on Bobo. Great recruiter and grew to be a decent OC. He’s not as bad or as good as people remember him. I’d not complain if he was hire, could do far worse. I’m not gonna lose sleep if he doesn’t return either. Same shite with Richt calling plays. People were CLAMORING for Richt to give up play calling and get an OC. He gets Bobo and Later on Schotty and fans choose to forget the past and want him to call plays. shite, Miami fans were bitching about Richt needing an OC just like we did a decade ago but before we fired Richt people saw that as a viable solution for Georgia.
Long story short I think Bobo gets bashed and honored more than he deserves.
2) Joe Cox hurt but I’d take Joe Cox over Lambert or Ramsey. He was a turnover machine but also threw 25 TD
3) Hutson mason gets shite on so much and I think it’s kuch undeserved. The guy wasn’t Aaron Murray and that’s why he’s hated. He was an efficient game manager and stuck around to do it. Our team plummeted after he left and likely would have been far worse off if he had transferred. Bobo was also the one putting Mason in a position to make these big time plays that everyone holds on to. Bobo called the play action on the goal line vs USC. Bobo was the one having Mason throw it vs GT in OT.
Here’s my thing on Bobo. Great recruiter and grew to be a decent OC. He’s not as bad or as good as people remember him. I’d not complain if he was hire, could do far worse. I’m not gonna lose sleep if he doesn’t return either. Same shite with Richt calling plays. People were CLAMORING for Richt to give up play calling and get an OC. He gets Bobo and Later on Schotty and fans choose to forget the past and want him to call plays. shite, Miami fans were bitching about Richt needing an OC just like we did a decade ago but before we fired Richt people saw that as a viable solution for Georgia.
Long story short I think Bobo gets bashed and honored more than he deserves.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:35 am to meansonny
I think Bobo was a great OC, I’m not arguing that. Mike Locksley’s offenses throughout his entire tenure have been mediocre to horrible but then he takes over a supremely talented offense at Bama. Next thing you know he’s putting up points like crazy and everyone thinks he’s an offensive genius. It’s still the same ol’ Locksley, he just has more talent than anyone he plays. Coley wouldn’t be in the position he is in if he was a totally inept coach, but I think there are more qualified options out there. Kirby will give him the job for 2 main reasons: continuity and his ability to open doors in South Florida.
I think it’s important for Kirby to hire a support staffer like Jay Johnson, who has experience developing QBs and developing game plans, to help Coley throughout the season.
I think it’s important for Kirby to hire a support staffer like Jay Johnson, who has experience developing QBs and developing game plans, to help Coley throughout the season.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:53 am to crispyUGA
Just thinking out loud but Lane Kiffin is currently making $950,000/year at FAU. We could easily top that figure and give him a stage to be successful and land another premier HC job
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:59 am to 3morereps
No way Kiffin would drop his HC gig for OC in Athens, but I'd take it.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:05 am to VoxDawg
Why not? If the collective goal is to topple Saban, there's really not a better opportunity. FAU sucked this year also.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:28 am to Damn Good Dawg
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I may be wrong but 1) Joe T was QB in 2006 and Bobo wasn’t OC until 2007, right?
Bobo took over playcalling in the 06 Tech game.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:53 am to GaBassFisher92
Ahh and then he had Stafford so Point remains
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:04 pm to crispyUGA
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Under Chaney we were basically just a team that lined up and pushed people off the ball; it was nothing ground breaking and extremely predicatable but still put up gaudy numbers.
The thing I will say about Chaney is he recognized what his roster could do and played to it. he knew Fromm could throw the deep out route well, and in critical situations did that time and time again.
There were things Chaney did strategically that caught me off guard in regards to setting up plays, and coming back to plays later when he saw an opening.
He had his lapses, no doubt, but he was a very solid coordinator. I hope we find someone as good or better.
I think he will be another Aaron Murray. Someone our fan base (As a whole) failed to appreciate until they were gone.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:09 pm to GaBassFisher92
For some reason, I thought Bobo called plays for the sugar bowl against west virginia. That may have been when Martinez took over the defense, though. I may be confusing the coordinators.
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