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OT THe Braves just got the College Football version of the Death Penalty
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:11 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:11 am
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The loss of prospects was expected as most were signed in shady manners and therefore was a deserving punishment for the team however they also imposed a 4 year punishment on international signings which is huge on depth and farm growth so after taking 13 players and gimping the Braves will essentially be limited to the draft to add players which could really frick the team not only for the short term but for 10 years or so if this young group of prospects doesn't pan out. GM's commeted on the punishment that essentially every team skirts the rules and the Braves got caught. Boston was the last team to get punished for similar bonus cheating on the international market and had to give back 5 players but they were not punished in the future like the Braves. The Cardinals also did some shady shyt and got a slap on the wrist because their GM wasn't found to be involved in cheating. I'm not defending what the Braves did but the punishment was way over the top in comparison to similar things happening in other organizations and not given nearly as harsh a punishment.THis one will hurt. No way to sugar coat it. MLB fricked the Braves and our GM fricked the Braves. Lose Lose
The loss of prospects was expected as most were signed in shady manners and therefore was a deserving punishment for the team however they also imposed a 4 year punishment on international signings which is huge on depth and farm growth so after taking 13 players and gimping the Braves will essentially be limited to the draft to add players which could really frick the team not only for the short term but for 10 years or so if this young group of prospects doesn't pan out. GM's commeted on the punishment that essentially every team skirts the rules and the Braves got caught. Boston was the last team to get punished for similar bonus cheating on the international market and had to give back 5 players but they were not punished in the future like the Braves. The Cardinals also did some shady shyt and got a slap on the wrist because their GM wasn't found to be involved in cheating. I'm not defending what the Braves did but the punishment was way over the top in comparison to similar things happening in other organizations and not given nearly as harsh a punishment.THis one will hurt. No way to sugar coat it. MLB fricked the Braves and our GM fricked the Braves. Lose Lose
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:50 am to Prettyboy Floyd
ATL Sports right now is making me want to put my house up for rent and move to another city.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:33 am to Prettyboy Floyd
Comparing it to the death penalty is a bit of a hyperbole. We still get to draft US players and we will get to sign international players, albiet with a smaller pool and smaller signing bonuses.
Is harsh but we will be fine.
Is harsh but we will be fine.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:36 am to Barstools
Yeah. Its really not going to hurt that much. All the guys that were declared free agents were at least 5 years away from even sniffing the majors. We still have 24 of our top 25 prospects, and we can still draft, and AA has been known as a good judge of talent.
It will hurt us signing high profile international talent for the next couple of years, but we can weather that storm with what we have currently in the minors, and with good drafting.
It will hurt us signing high profile international talent for the next couple of years, but we can weather that storm with what we have currently in the minors, and with good drafting.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:48 am to devils1854
Our team in general is 4-5 years from competing at a high level. You think it doesn’t matter?
Kevin Maitin (spelling) was supposed to be a major piece to that team. We do have important pieces in place to produce in 4-5 years but to say they don’t matter is ludicrous.
Kevin Maitin (spelling) was supposed to be a major piece to that team. We do have important pieces in place to produce in 4-5 years but to say they don’t matter is ludicrous.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:55 am to Prettyboy Floyd
This punishment seems like one that’s less about just fricking the braves, but more about sending a message to the rest of the league. Basically saying “we know all of y’all do this shite and we want you to know what happens when you get caught”.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:25 am to DoubleDawg22
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Our team in general is 4-5 years from competing at a high level. You think it doesn’t matter?
Kevin Maitin (spelling) was supposed to be a major piece to that team. We do have important pieces in place to produce in 4-5 years but to say they don’t matter is ludicrous.
If you think this team is 4-5 years away from competing, then you have no clue what you are talking about.
The team started integrating all the young talent last year, and 8 of the top 10 prospects in the organization are going to be in AA or higher this year, so if you think its going to take 5 years for them to compete, then what is going to be your explanation for these guys that we lost. They are all 16 or 17 and is going to take them around 4-5 years to make the big leagues, if any of them do, and if we go by your thinking, it will take them another 4 to 5 years to be ready to compete.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:33 am to DoubleDawg22
It will make a 2-3 year rebuild into an 8-10 year rebuild. While it didn't totally destroy our farm system, it weakened it substantially and we will now have a much tougher time rebuilding that talent pool. It is what it is, though. Not like we've been stringing together great seasons anyway.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:45 am to crispyUGA
How did it weaken our farm system really? We are talking about a bunch of 16 and 17 years olds that 90% will flame out before AA.
Our top prospects:
Ronald Acuna-still on the team
Kolby Allard-still on the team
Kewvin Maitan-gone
Mike Soroka-still on the team
Luiz Gohara-still on the team
Ian Anderson-still on the team
Joey Wentz-still on the team
Christian Pache-still on the team
Austin Riley-still on the team
Kyle Wright-still on the team
Austin Jackson-still on the team
Max Fried-still on the team
So thats still 11 guys on the team that will be considered for top 100 lists, and but 2 will be ready for the bigs by 2019.
The next tier of prospects
Kyle Mueller
Travis Demeritte
Touki Toussaint
Dustin Peterson
Patrick Weigel
Drew Waters
Bryse Wilson
Derian Cruz
Aj Minter
Brett Cumberland
All of those guys are still on the team.
So we are 22 deep on legit prospects, and thats not counting guys like Ricardo Sanchez, Tucker Davidson, Freddy Tarnok, Drew Harrington, Jordan James, etc... that would probably be in most teams top 15, but since our system is so deep, they arent in the top 25.
The sky is not falling. The team will be fine.
Our top prospects:
Ronald Acuna-still on the team
Kolby Allard-still on the team
Kewvin Maitan-gone
Mike Soroka-still on the team
Luiz Gohara-still on the team
Ian Anderson-still on the team
Joey Wentz-still on the team
Christian Pache-still on the team
Austin Riley-still on the team
Kyle Wright-still on the team
Austin Jackson-still on the team
Max Fried-still on the team
So thats still 11 guys on the team that will be considered for top 100 lists, and but 2 will be ready for the bigs by 2019.
The next tier of prospects
Kyle Mueller
Travis Demeritte
Touki Toussaint
Dustin Peterson
Patrick Weigel
Drew Waters
Bryse Wilson
Derian Cruz
Aj Minter
Brett Cumberland
All of those guys are still on the team.
So we are 22 deep on legit prospects, and thats not counting guys like Ricardo Sanchez, Tucker Davidson, Freddy Tarnok, Drew Harrington, Jordan James, etc... that would probably be in most teams top 15, but since our system is so deep, they arent in the top 25.
The sky is not falling. The team will be fine.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:54 am to crispyUGA
Wat?
The only real prospect we lost was Maitan.
We lost a bunch of other guys that may or may not pan out. Step away from the ledge.
The only real prospect we lost was Maitan.
We lost a bunch of other guys that may or may not pan out. Step away from the ledge.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:12 am to Barstools
In baseball prospects panning out is much more rare. A top prospect in football and basketball has a much better chance of at least being a good player. You can go back and look at Top 10 prospect list from the 2000s for the Braves and you may see one or two players who actually contributed to the Major League club. The braves rebuild is banked on prospects and we just lost 13 players and took a significant hit to the market that has produced 3 of our most talented prospects. It's going to hurt and people are glossing over the damage because the system is strong at the moment. When these guys graduate the only way to restock will be the regular draft which is limited. I'm not saying we won't be fine I'm just saying the punishment was pretty insane when you think about it. The leadership that pulled this won't be the ones dealing with the punishment. The team and the fans if these prospects we currently have fail....and the team is shite.....we will be severely gimped on adding the next Acuna or Albies because of what our old GM did. No other team that's been caught cheating recieved anything close to this level of punishment. I completely understand giving back the cheated players we acquired by circumventing the rules but i don't understand punishing the new GM and our organization when they weren't running the team. Mlb was using us to make an example and it sucks because the international market has been a free for all for years and you know Coepella was also cheating with the Yankees. He learned that shite from somewhere.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:18 am to crispyUGA
quote:I'm certainly not in the camp that thinks this is just something we can easily brush off no problem but that statement is extreme. Most of our best talent this year will be in AA, AAA or making their debuts so we're still on track with the rebuild in that regard. Having 12 prospects essentially vanish overnight blows all the dicks and being heavily restricted internationally through 2021 will have a big impact on the longterm depth of the farm system So I'm worried what it'll look like in 2-3 years time, after this big wave of minor league talent makes it to ATL. Even though AA has shown to be really good in the draft, you just can't counterbalance being ineligible to sign from such a large pool of talented players by drafting well.
It will make a 2-3 year rebuild into an 8-10 year rebuild.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:29 am to SumterCoDawg
It's going to hurt. People are glossing over the extremely high failure rate of MLB prospects. Just a few years ago Aaron Blair and Lucas Sims around have been considered serious Major League prospects. If we hit on 5 guys out of our top 20 as being above average major leaguers I would be stoked.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:35 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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In baseball prospects panning out is much more rare. A top prospect in football and basketball has a much better chance of at least being a good player. You can go back and look at Top 10 prospect list from the 2000s for the Braves and you may see one or two players who actually contributed to the Major League club. The braves rebuild is banked on prospects and we just lost 13 players and took a significant hit to the market that has produced 3 of our most talented prospects. It's going to hurt and people are glossing over the damage because the system is strong at the moment. When these guys graduate the only way to restock will be the regular draft which is limited. I'm not saying we won't be fine I'm just saying the punishment was pretty insane when you think about it. The leadership that pulled this won't be the ones dealing with the punishment. The team and the fans if these prospects we currently have fail....and the team is shite.....we will be severely gimped on adding the next Acuna or Albies because of what our old GM did. No other team that's been caught cheating recieved anything close to this level of punishment. I completely understand giving back the cheated players we acquired by circumventing the rules but i don't understand punishing the new GM and our organization when they weren't running the team. Mlb was using us to make an example and it sucks because the international market has been a free for all for years and you know Coepella was also cheating with the Yankees. He learned that shite from somewhere.
You do realize that for every Ozzie Albies and Ronald Acuna, there are 50 Gorkyz Hernandez's, Edward Salcedo's, Ande Marte's, Wilson Betemit's, and 1000 of others that werent even top 20 prospects.
The team was still on restriction on their international spending the next two years anyway from going over in 2016, so that doesnt change anything. 2019 will hurt because we really cant sign anyone, but we will still have around 2.5 mil for 2020 and we can always buy more pool money from other teams.
There are way too many overreactions
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:37 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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It's going to hurt. People are glossing over the extremely high failure rate of MLB prospects. Just a few years ago Aaron Blair and Lucas Sims around have been considered serious Major League prospects. If we hit on 5 guys out of our top 20 as being above average major leaguers I would be stoked.
Aaron Blair was never considered more than a back end of the rotation type guy, and was the throw in piece to the Shelby Miller trade.
You are trying to go off teams with normal farm systems. If you havent looked, the Braves do not have a normal farm system. They have graduated Ozzie, Dansby, Camargo, and Newcomb to the majors this year, and still have a legitimate 12 guys that will be considered for top 100 lists. Thats not normal for any team in any year, so your hypothesis doesnt work here.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:45 am to devils1854
quote:As a top 60 prospect he was definitely considered more than a #5 type of pitcher or just a throw away piece of a trade.
Aaron Blair was never considered more than a back end of the rotation type guy, and was the throw in piece to the Shelby Miller trade.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:48 am to SumterCoDawg
Now let's do Dansby Swanson. I mean technically he is a major leaguer now but is he living up to his lofty prospect status?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:12 am to Prettyboy Floyd
Does Dale Murphy still play for the Braves? If not, don't care. Let them move to Las Vegas.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:43 pm to Rex Feral
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Does Dale Murphy still play for the Braves? If not, don't care. Let them move to Las Vegas
Boo, you whore
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:26 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Well, we don't have much talent on the roster, but at least we don't have much talent on the bench either, but at the end of the day, at least we also don't have much to gain on the international market for several more years.
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