re: OT Got MY 1st Covid Shot Today.

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So it's pretty much open to everyone.

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BMI over 25, so yes. Pretty much all of Georgia.

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Probably but there really aren't any guarantees that you'll have any kind of immunity. Six of us went and got antibodies tested 4 weeks after the second vaccine and two of us didn't have them.

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So.......you have a little problem. Most of the antibody tests out there only detect antibodies produced by natural infection, known as nucleocapsid antibodies. Both natural infection and the vaccine produce what is called a spike protein antibody (the vaccine produces a far more robust response and much higher levels). If you don’t know what test code to ask for, you’re being checked for the wrong thing and your numbers will come back zero. I know because we did the same thing with my wife. After researching and questioning a couple of physicians I know who have been on top of the vaccines since the beginning, I figured this out and found the correct test code to ask for. We had the bloodwork run again and boy, did she have some antibodies. If you have labs done via Labcorp (or your physician sends to them for processing) the code is 164090, I believe.

You will absolutely have immunity with the vaccine, even if you are a non-seroconverter. I know one of the first two people in the world who received the Moderna shots in the phase 1 trial (he happens to be an Athens resident) and he still has strong antibodies to this day. The mRNA only remains in your body for a brief amount of time and is quickly cleared. While there, your body uses the instructions to form the spike proteins which then elicits the production of antibodies. It’s not a “latent” effect. You have them.

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I'll go again. Thank you!

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Definitely do, just for your own peace of mind. It would be a ridiculous improbability that both of you had no antibodies and all four people with natural infection did. That just tells me the wrong test was utilized. Wherever you get it done, just be sure it’s a spike protein antibody test. Even better if you can get a quantitative test that shows exactly what your levels are. The one I mentioned above is a semi-quantitative which only gives levels up to a certain number (250mg/L in this case), even though they will likely be much higher. My wife’s simply said “>250mg/L”. If you can find a fully quantitative test, do that.

Here’s a list from the FDA that might help, but do be aware that many physicians’ knowledge of these things still hasn’t caught up. It took forever for me to explain what I needed to our doc’s staff and they finally figured it out. LINK

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You are a good egg Sic Em

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Thanks, Peter. I’m just trying to help people wrap their head around these vaccines in as easily-digestible a way as possible. There’s been so much misinformation out there about what they are, what they do, how they work, safety, etc., that I just try to be a voice of reason. I’m not good at a lot of things, but drilling down and finding answers is one thing I do well and these vaccines and their development became sort of a pet project for me.......they are truly fascinating and they represent some very big steps in the medical field as a whole. A year ago, I was as skeptical as anyone about these things. After taking the time to really dig in and read and look over data, I’m convinced of their safety and efficacy and my support of them is being validated daily by new findings on just how well they do their job and how the safety profile continues to be astoundingly good. I’m genuinely excited to see where these technologies lead to in terms of future medical advancements.

Another tidbit of great news: Israel confirms Pfizer vaccine efficacy at preventing both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections.

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I didnt mean to imply anything bad about the vaccines regarding my inlaws.
They got the vaccine within 1 week of it hitting Georgia (they have a medical background and have been desperately waiting for this vaccine since late March)..

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You're all good, brother. You don't owe anyone an explanation. I fully respect anyone's decision to forego the vaccines if they so choose. I just like to know that people do it on the merits of sound reasoning. If you tell me, "yeah, I'm gonna wait for more people to get it and more data to come out" or "y'know, I just don't feel comfortable with it", I understand and I respect that. What I don't like to see is people who say they won't get it because of xyz conspiracy theory that they read about on FB, etc. That sort of thing is simply spreading unfounded rumors made up by people that seem to be devoid of any critical thinking capacity. For example, "Bill Gates wants to chip all of us with the vaccine". So there's 5-15 doses per vial.....tell me how you ensure that everyone getting a dose gets "their" chip since they aren't visible to the naked eye (and have you actually seen a needle used to insert a chip into a body? YIKES! ) Or why even choose a vaccine that half the population will refuse anyway when you have perfectly good MMR or DTAP vaccines that could be used for such a nefarious scheme and that people don't get a coice in unless their parents happened to be anti-vaxxers at the time they were children. A lot of these things literally make zero sense when you really sit down and think them through. And the list goes on. But like I said, do what you're comfortable with. If you don't want it, don't take it. The only real concern is that lack of adoption means we risk this crap rolling on even longer. But eventually, your risk will be nil because most people will come around to the vaccine in time and many others will have already been infected. You just have to continue being careful until the herd immunity kicks in.

My in-laws were pretty crapped out on dose two of the Moderna vaccine for about 2-3 days. They felt awful. But a couple of good friends of mine contracted covid during a holiday gathering and they will tell you now that 2-3 days of crappiness is worlds better than the weeks that they haven't felt well. That was back on January 11th and they still have lingering effects. My boss contracted it in October and still has problems. My wife was one of the first people to get hers in Athens when it was rolled out to the public, so we weren't super sure what to expect. It was pretty low-key, just a light headache and brief nausea on the first dose, and next to nothing on the second one. As of this moment, I am nearly 24 hours past my first dose of Pfizer and the only thing that I experienced was mild soreness in my upper arm and two brief bouts of nausea. This morning, the soreness is nearly undetectable. Just put myself through a set of push-ups to test it out and had no issues, no pain, nothing. Everyone's experience will vary a bit, but the lesson of the day is that, statistically speaking, your chances of experiencing significant complications of natural covid infection are just astronomically higher than having any sort of major or lingering issue with any of the vaccines. Nothing is without risk. Getting infected, getting vaccinated, or taking your chances. But if we were betting on a football game here, anyone putting money down and looking over the stat lines is putting that money on vaccines all day long, no question.

All that said, if you have questions, I'm happy to try and answer them. I'm not shy about the fact that I have researched these more than just about anyone I personally know, aside from a couple of doctor friends of mine. And of course, always seek advice from your personal physician if you have concerns about allergies, whether to take the vaccine with certain health conditions, etc. I can relay my anecdotal experiences and I can tell you what I've found in my research, but at the end of the day, you need to trust your doc to do what you pay them to do.

The chipping thing about Gates is nonsense.

But him being involved heavily in the vaccine industry, and then openly admitting it can be used as a tool for population control (reduction), is indisputable.

He’s on video admitting it right here: LINK

He’s also the same guy who made Windows super easy to get a virus and then made more money selling virus protection software.

And why do you effectively leave Microsoft to pour all your efforts into the vaccine industry? Well he openly admitted vaccines are 20x the profit than Microsoft.

The guy is a weirdo and his Ted Talks about eugenics and population control are disturbing. There is zero reason to trust him or anything he’s neck deep in.

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UF published a study that says asymptomatic don't pass it on. This is why finding good information is impossible.

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I’ve seen the UF study. Unfortunately, I highly doubt the interpretation of the study because there are plenty of others that say it does happen. And think about it this way; if someone were symptomatic in the midst of all of this, especially in the latter months, do you think they’d be going around eating in restaurants, shopping, etc? Do you think normal people will hang anywhere near a symptomatic, coughing person for 15 minutes or more (the threshold generally cited for exposure resulting in transmission)? The reality is no. And I know a few different families where one person found out they had it by chance (pre-surgery, dialysis, etc.), but after immediately quarantining around no one but their own families and still showing no symptoms, others in the family (who were also quarantined) developed infections. What we actually see happening doesn’t support the idea of no asymptomatic transmission. I do believe it is not the primary mode of transmission, mind you. But it definitely happens.

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But him being involved heavily in the vaccine industry, and then openly admitting it can be used as a tool for population control (reduction), is indisputable.

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He is a philanthropist. He gives lots of money to causes he is passionate about, just as most of us would, given his means. What he said, like many a Donald Trump statement, was taken way out of context. What he was implying, but that people tend to be too ignorant to understand, is that across the globe, when the expectation is that children will be healthy and survive (which is more reasonable now with the rollout of vaccines that prevent many childhood causes of death), parents tend not to keep having them. There are cultures where childhood death rates are high and so families choose to have numerous kids expecting that one or two may die. When that doesn't happen, you end up with burgeoning populations and household economies that cannot support them. I agree that what he said was certainly confusing and he brought all the scrutiny on himself. But I don't believe that Gates has some nefarious depopulation scheme at work through vaccines. And none of these vaccines are "his".

Besides.....would you really want to initiate population control by killing off all your healthcare professionals first? Remember, critical thinking is key here. Yeah, he comes off as a kook because these creative nerds often do. But he's not the Devil.

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If that statement is true then maybe I could learn whether or not I was once asymptomatic. I've never been aware of being infected but I had a terrible reaction to my second Moderna shot.

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You would need to ensure that the test you take is a nucleocapsid antibody test. That type of antibody is natural infection only, though if it had been a long time ago, you may no longer have them (you’d still have B and T cell memory, but no antibodies).

If you do a spike protein antibody test, you’ll be positive because of your vaccine. Your reaction to the Moderna shot is pretty par for the course, though, unless it put you in the hospital. The second Moderna dose is actually double the content of the first dose, so not only do you have a quicker antibody reaction due to the first shot, you’re literally being injected with MORE mRNA which causes higher levels of spike production and thus, higher levels of antibodies. In short, you’ll feel sicker on dose two about 99% of the time with Moderna.

That article says the people spreading it are the asymptomatic people. UF published a study that says asymptomatic don't pass it on. This is why finding good information is impossible.

I think you misread but the article isn't clearly written. Most people are infected by unvaccinated asymptomatic carriers. People who've gained immunity via vaccination can become infected but they won't become sick or contagious.