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S1C EM
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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What? But he didn't throw "10,000 passes"
You think any QB could throw 10,000 passes
to 14 different WR's (each) in 2 months or even 3 months?

That's 140,000 passes.Hell,Burrow isn't even mentioned in this


I'm referring to a piece that ESPN aired several months ago. If he didn't throw them, he was the best jugs machine operator in the history of EVER.

And I believe it was supposed to be 10,000 total, spread around between the receivers.
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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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And I believe it was supposed to 10,000 total spread around between the receivers.


That would be incorrect.
From the article:
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These are Terrace Marshall's favorite unconventional device while [img]racking up his 10,000 catches this[/img] summer


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I'm referring to a piece that ESPN aired several months ago


Gotta link? Even if he only threw 10,000 passes in 2 months.Its still a helluva a burden on your arm
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fibonaccisquared
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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Timing is very, very important. You throw most balls where a guy is gonna be, not where he is... in some cases, you throw it before he breaks

See: almost every ball ever thrown DRob's way... - He and Fromm have rarely been on the same page.


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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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It was spread around all QBs


I'm assuming they participated although I don't really see where their mentioned.

The VAST majority was from the Juggs and asst coaches.


lewis and herschel
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Burrow said he and the other QBs did most of it in an interview but I am sure some was mechanical.

The greater point stands that burrow and lsus WRs would have looked great even in coleys offense because they flat executed.

We flat executed in 2017.


RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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The greater point stands that burrow and lsus WRs would have looked great even in coleys offense because they flat executed


Completely agree but the bigger point of all this discussion about the "10,000" catch summer was that focus was primarily on the WR group and all the different tools and more importantly,data used to vastly improve their performance.From the article and interesting IMO:

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The process was two-fold. First, Marucci tracked every pass from the 2018 season and created a “receiver spray chart.” He tracked receiver head rotation, route flow direction, depth of throw, and whether or not the pass was contested. 


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One summer day inside the LSU Indoor Practice Facility, 15 LSU pass catchers ran 48 seconds worth of routes shot on cameras recording at 180 frames per second, giving Mann and Marucci 129,600 data points to work with. 


Those guys obviously put in a TON of work along with breaking down the data.

I expect no less from our staff
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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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Burrow said he and the other QBs did most of it


Sorry,that would be physically impossible to do over the course of 2 months practicing 5 days a week.

Keep in mind that's 10,000 passes CAUGHT X 15 receivers = 150,000.So even breaking that number in half comes to 75,000 passes CAUGHT which equals 333 passes thrown by 5 QB's each 5 days a week over the course of 2 months. This is with the assumption that every single pass is caught.Even if you do it with 6 QB's it comes to 231.This means every single throw is accurate and every single pass is caught in every practice.
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lewis and herschel
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Take it up with burrow. Again they did this and it shows on the field. They, to this point, including NFL playoffs football, have executed their passing game the best of any major football team, pro or college.


BeefDawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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Your post is completely wrong. Utterly.

Catching the ball at that level is a reflex built through repetition.

Before Fromms accuracy went to hell, players you names dropped several passes that were catchable.

A rythem passing game is even more dependent on repetition.

Burrows 10,000 pass catch goal/league he ran with his WRs helped LSU more than any scheme... It is why he made the biggest leap forward ever in under a year without the most highly sough after WRs.

Facts...
Chill out, man. You're completely missing several things I said while ignoring a bunch of outside factors leading to why I said them.

First, I didn't say not to have a pre-season camp where our QB's and WR's toss thousands of balls trying to sync up.

I was simply trying to rationalize why if we don't do precisely the Joe Burrow/Joe Brady 10,000 rep thing, which we can't entirely because of outside circumstances, that it won't mean we are destined for failure, like you're making it out to be.

We only have ONE EE receiver, and that's Justin Robinson.

Blaylock is coming off a serious injury so he won't be available for such a camp.

Landers and Blount suck, so they're a waste of time.

So at best we're talking about Pickens, Jackson, Bush, and Robertson.

No Rosemy, Burton, Smith, Washington, or McKitty until June at the earliest.

And considering the time constraints on players supervised practices, not only won't we be able to do something like this with all our receivers, or even half of our likely starting quality receivers, but because of obvious time and rules constraints, it won't be physically possible to reach the level of pass/catch goals that Burrow and his receivers did.

SOOOO, I was merely trying to explain it won't be the end of the world if we don't, as evidenced by the fact we have some quality receivers who proved to sync up decently with Fromm even without some 10,000 pre-season goal being reached.

So take it easy, man. Nobody is attacking you. Just trying to tell you it's not really possible and not really fair to infer we must have this type of camp or we're doomed.


lewis and herschel
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Fair enough, I would say the wr that have struggled the most will benefit the most. The young guys won't get real playing time until later.

Those guys last year would have absolutely benefited from this and would have last year as well.



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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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Take it up with burrow


He wasn't even mentioned in the article .Im sure he participated but no where near the extent you keep repeating.The "clinic"
was about their WR group catching the ball
and improving. LINK

Listen to what Coach O said in the video.

Of course LSU's execution improved along with the WR',s.There was no "Summer league" with Burrow and the other QB's playing pitch and catch on their own.
These guys were doing specific drills that were filmed and broken down with data points.
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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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We only have ONE EE receiver, and that's Justin Robinson.

Blaylock is coming off a serious injury so he won't be available for such a camp.

Landers and Blount suck, so they're a waste of time.

So what? LSU had 15;WR's participating it didn't matter if they "sucked" or not...you just don't sit back and not try

[quote]So at best we're talking about Pickens, Jackson, Bush, and Robertson.

No Rosemy, Burton, Smith, Washington, or McKitty until June at the earliest


So what? You work with who's available and LSU started these Summer workouts in June.


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but because of obvious time and rules constraints, it won't be physically possible to reach the level of pass/catch goals that Burrow and his receivers did.


LSU found the time to do it but we have "time constraints"
How so?

So if we don't have all our bodies on campus we shouldn't even try do duplicate
what LSU did?

Sorry do not see the reasoning behind this

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RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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Landers and Blount suck, so they're a waste of time.



So you don't even try to get these guys to improve? Did you hear all the bullshitee Miamii fans were saying about Cager when he 1st came to UGA?
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BeefDawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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LSU found the time to do it but we have "time constraints"
How so?

So if we don't have all our bodies on campus we shouldn't even try do duplicate
what LSU did?

Sorry do not see the reasoning behind this
Gezuz fricking Christ. What is it with you guys taking snippets of context and running away with wild assertions?

Again, I never said we shouldn't run camps/clinics like this where our QB's and receivers throw/catch thousands of balls and try to get as comfortable with each other as possible.

I think we absolutely should.

But it's not going to be the end of the goddamn world if we don't do precisely what Burrow and his receivers did, so stop acting like we're screwed if we don't duplicate the freaking dream-season of Joe fricking Burrow and LSU.

And part of this discussion was about players starting this immediately with the same LSU specific goals, not just waiting until June, and I was pointing out how if they did start immediately, there would only be like 5-6 possible receivers there, and most of them wouldn't be our quality starters that we're expecting to be the main contributors.

Some of you guys love to argue and be right about shite so bad that it ruins these discussions.

Chill out, folks. We're all friends here.


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BeefDawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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So you don't even try to get these guys to improve? Did you hear all the bullshitee Miamii fans were saying about Cager when he 1st came to UGA?
I mean I'm in a business of making tough decisions and knowing when to cut bait. So that's how I approach the concept of efficiency and time management.

If I'm trying to sync up my receivers with my QB's, I'm dedicating that effort to Pickins, Blaylock, Robertson, Jackson, Bush, Tongue, Rosemy, Burton, Smith, Robinson, McKitty, Washington, and Cook.

That's already too many guys to have to "sync" with as it is.


RD Dawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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If I'm trying to sync up my receivers with my QB's, I'm dedicating that effort to Pickins, Blaylock, Robertson, Jackson, Bush, Tongue, Rosemy, Burton, Smith, Robinson, McKitty, Washington, and Cook.



But that really wasn't the reason for what LSU did despite what others might think.It was primarily about the receivers and their ability to catch and run precise routes and obviously improve from the previous year.

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mean I'm in a business of making tough decisions and knowing when to cut bait.


I get that but unless you're gonna process
these guys (which they won't) you gotta at least try to get em better especially Landers.


VoxDawg
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Landers has the most upside, in my opinion, by sheer virtue of the fact that he was objectively god-awful this season, save that one touchdown in the Sugar Bowl. I was totally off-base when I thought he would be the breakout star of the wide receivers this year.


fibonaccisquared
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
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save that one touchdown in the Sugar Bowl

To quote a previous post... That ball caught Landers, not the other way around. He's still a liability with the ball coming in his direction until proven otherwise.


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Leon S Kennedy
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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Why does Blount suck? He does not have a history of screwing up in games.


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re: One overlooked item with Newman is with him being completely new to us and likely starting
Newman hasn't played with the team yet? You've gotta be joking me? Never even crossed my mind!


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