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re: Looks like the Falcons coulda had Gurley and a better DE than Beasley
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:42 pm to DawgGONIT
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:42 pm to DawgGONIT
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Against our crappy line he was able to get contained, plus he does not have the size to play DE in the NFL. No telling on his coverage skills to play OLB.
Georgia's line was very, very good in 2014. Also, in that game, Beasley did not get many chances to rush the passer as Georgia continued to run it down their throats.
Beasley was brought to Atlanta to rush the passer. He's here hopefully to be another Terrelle Suggs.
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:58 pm to VADawg
I wouldn't say our line was very very good in 2014. Gurley and Chubb makes the line look better than they actually are. 2014 we had D Andrews and last year he was the only one missing and you see how bad they were. Theus has never been great at LT, he has been just an avg LT in the SEC. Pyke is pretty good and Houston isn't that great either. Our Oline showed its true colors this season once Chubb went down.
Even in 2014 Gurley got 60%+ of his yards after contact, so it wasn't like the line was giving him huge holes to run through either.
Also a lot of plays Vic will seem to take off or just not show that motor one would expect out of a 1st round or even a top 10 pick. Hopefully he can pick it up and play fast next year, and be more productive.
Even in 2014 Gurley got 60%+ of his yards after contact, so it wasn't like the line was giving him huge holes to run through either.
Also a lot of plays Vic will seem to take off or just not show that motor one would expect out of a 1st round or even a top 10 pick. Hopefully he can pick it up and play fast next year, and be more productive.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:02 pm to DawgGONIT
No, we changed the scheme this year and it made us look like crap. The rbs were getting several yards before contact in 2014.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:16 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:No the oline still wasn't that great in 2014. Basically the same guys as in 2015 and they got manhandled. Oline has been the biggest problem here recently w/ UGA but the past class or two and the current recruits are a step in the right direction.
No, we changed the scheme this year and it made us look like crap. The rbs were getting several yards before contact in 2014.
Also there were so so many plays Gurley turned into a gain when it should of been a loss. His 61.9% yards after contact shows much better Gurley makes the oline. I think they were good at best, but the guy I quoted said they were very very good. I disagree.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:21 pm to DawgGONIT
quote:Coaching makes a huge difference and any Georgia fan will tell you there was a drop-off from last year to this one, I mean Southern's line held strong for most of the game, wouldn't have seen that last year.
No the oline still wasn't that great in 2014. Basically the same guys as in 2015 and they got manhandled.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:22 pm to BeefDawg
Frick, get off the Gurley kick. I already said "any" 1st round pick. Again, folks who recognize this stuff seem to have a nice ring collection.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:25 pm to DawgGONIT
So we would have had Gurley and Freeman on the same team and an even worse pass rush if we did it your way.
Glad you're not in charge.
Glad you're not in charge.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:26 pm to WorkinDawg
quote:NFL teams that have nice ring collections don't take running backs in the top 10 either.
folks who recognize this stuff seem to have a nice ring collection.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:38 pm to DawgGONIT
We didn't get manhandled in 2014 but we did in 2015 with pretty much the same line. Tells most people Ut was the scheme change and not the players. Or even the coaching change.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:59 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I think it is the players and not so much teh scheme. Theus isn't that great. Houston is a tier below Theus which isn't saying much, especially when these are our tackles. Pyke is good, I think Wynn will be good. Kublanow didn't play as good last year, but I'm not sure C is his position anyways. So year our players just aren't good, as Pyke is the only good one out of the bunch. Wynn will probably be really good but we need more time to tell. Theus will also probably get drafted higher than he should.
Also Gurley >>> Freeman. And anything Freeman can do, Gurley can do it and probably better. There are things that Gurley can do that Freeman can't. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, so if there was a redraft, Gurley wouldn't of been there for us at 8 to begin with. Even if we did take Gurley in the 1st, we could of easily got a DE in the 2nd to match the production of VB.
quote:Yeah b/c I'm so sure you just knew Freeman was going to bust out this year, even though he sucked as a rookie.
So we would have had Gurley and Freeman on the same team and an even worse pass rush if we did it your way.
Also Gurley >>> Freeman. And anything Freeman can do, Gurley can do it and probably better. There are things that Gurley can do that Freeman can't. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, so if there was a redraft, Gurley wouldn't of been there for us at 8 to begin with. Even if we did take Gurley in the 1st, we could of easily got a DE in the 2nd to match the production of VB.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:07 pm to SumterCoDawg
quote:No shite b/c those top 10 teams had the worst records in the previous seasons, hence why they have the top picks.
NFL teams that have nice ring collections don't take running backs in the top 10 either.
Plus how can you say Gurley isn't a top 10 pick? For his rookie contract, and being able to come in a produce right off the rip, is a hella steal.
So only top 10 picks should be qbs then, as those teams w/ the rings usually have a great qb.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:28 pm to DawgGONIT
quote:So you're telling me, that bad teams get the better picks in the draft, holy shite, no way! All teams go through rough stretches and have to rebuild and none of them do it by taking a running back in the top ten or even the first round for that matter. Gurley is a great player, probably top 5ish at his position already, but running backs don't have much value because it's so hard to run the ball these days. Hell, Adrian Peterson who is the best at his position had 45 yards in a home playoff game today. Very rare to see a team build completely around a top running back and actually win a lot without having a stud defense and top 10 QB.
No shite b/c those top 10 teams had the worst records in the previous seasons, hence why they have the top picks.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:35 pm to WorkinDawg
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Preston Smith
I wonder if anyone else on the board could wait until the entire season is over and then "predict" who the best draft picks would be. GTFO
Also, to assume that you could plug and play Preston into the Falcon's shitstorm of a defensive unit and get the same production is laughable. As others have indicated, Beasley's year end numbers were somewhat in line with Khalil Mack. I think we'd all like to have that guy on the roster after seeing what he's done. I'm not making the argument that Beasley will equate to the same type of talent, but to think he's a bust after a moderate rookie campaign is just laughable. We still have tons of holes and need to fill them.
I'd say in no particular order, priorities should be:
D-line - yes.
LB with a modicum of coverage skills
TE - Great hands, offensive threat with at least marginally passable blocking skills
O-line... I'd say tackle but we've got dickmitroff still drafting and we know he can't evaluate that position. I guess we could always let him go after another project OT that we have to turn into an OG.
Center - ? --- Not sure if there will be anyone on the table at a good value this year but *this* is probably the one thing I was irritated about last year, as I did think Boss Andrews was going to do well... and he did, for the damn Patriots... the rich get richer.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:02 am to VADawg
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In the modern NFL, you can win the Super Bowl with a few meh RBs, as long as their skills compliment each other (2009 Saints, 2010 Packers, 2011 Giants, etc...). Devonta Freeman is not a meh RB. The Falcons already have a very good RB on the roster
You just named a few that had a Meh defense.
Since 2006 when the rules when wildly in favor off the offense a #1 or #2 defense has won the Superbowl 3 times.
A defense outside the top 10 has won it 5 times. The other side of the ball an offense outside the top 10 has won it twice.
Source
The don't take someone in the top ten that isn't scoring TDs was a paraphrased quote from Bill Polian. He might just might know more then you two you know HOF inductee an all. You need difference makers that handle the ball regardless of position (WR,RB,TE,QB). QB is worth 2 alone if he is great, but if you're only good at QB you need to surround him with 2-3 difference makers. Matt Ryan was at his best when we had 3 (Julio, Roddy, Tony). Honestly drafting Gurley would have been awesome since he is a dawg, but the better play would have been trading back and adding an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.A steller defense is a difference maker as well but you need way more then one pick.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 1:22 am
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:12 am to BeefDawg
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Freeman didn't even start the first two games and also missed 1.9 games with a concussion and still put up 1730 ap yards (2nd in league) and lead the league in TD's with 14.
Come on, man. Nobody, nobody saw that coming. Which is why they took Coleman and why Coleman was #1 before his injury. Freeman exploded like the lotto. He in no way influenced the draft. Beasley is fair, could have done worse, could have done better. I would expect more at 8 myself. At 8 I am looking for an arse kicker, not an edge above meh. Ask yourself this, did he change the team? That answer is no. At 8, I want a changer.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:27 am to WhopperDawg
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Come on, man. Nobody, nobody saw that coming. Which is why they took Coleman and why Coleman was #1 before his injury. Freeman exploded like the lotto. He in no way influenced the draft. Beasley is fair, could have done worse, could have done better. I would expect more at 8 myself. At 8 I am looking for an arse kicker, not an edge above meh. Ask yourself this, did he change the team? That answer is no. At 8, I want a changer.
100% this, at 8 in the draft you want a guy that can change the game. 8 is only 2 spots behind Julio and no one can argue that he can't change the game at a moments notice.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:51 am to WhopperDawg
Again, did Khalil Mack make an impact his rookie season? No, aside from tackles, he didn't even do as much as Beasley did.
But look what Mack became in his 2nd season. He lead the league in sacks and is the first player to ever make all-pro at 2 positions, DE and OLB.
By your dumb logic, you guys would be sitting here whining about Mack not being worth the 5th pick because his 4 sacks his rookie year means he's not impactful enough.
But look what Mack became in his 2nd season. He lead the league in sacks and is the first player to ever make all-pro at 2 positions, DE and OLB.
By your dumb logic, you guys would be sitting here whining about Mack not being worth the 5th pick because his 4 sacks his rookie year means he's not impactful enough.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:54 am to bigdawg7780
You people slay me. He was a rookie playing with a torn labrum and put the same numbers almost exactly Khalil Mack did his rookie year. Would you guys take Khalil Mack?
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:09 am to BeefDawg
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Again, did Khalil Mack make an impact his rookie season? No, aside from tackles, he didn't even do as much as Beasley did.
Aside from tackles, cause you know that's kinda the whole point of defense is getting the guy on the ground. It's not like Mack was 35/4 vs Beasley's 26/4. No it was 76 to 26 Mack had 50 more tackles then him.It shows Mack was around the ball a lot more as a rookie. I thought Vic was a 1 trick pony before the draft a speed rusher and he really didn't show improvement in the area of diversifying that this season.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:50 am to bigdawg7780
Mack plays strong side OLB and also played 1095 snaps his rookie season. He stood up off the line and played the second layer half his snaps on run downs specifically to play the run. He also had a SDE inside of him occupying the OT, which means on passing downs he was matched up against a TE or RB when he rushed the QB.
Beasley plays weak side DE and only played 539 snaps. HALF Mack's damn snaps. And he rarely dropped in to coverage. He rarely played on run downs. And he was always matched up against a offensive tackle rather than a TE or RB.
Beasley is specifically a LEO playing opposite the strong side. Teams run towards the weak side on average only 37% of the time.
Mack easily got exposed to quadruple the runs that Beasley did.
Now STFU about shite you have no clue about.
Beasley plays weak side DE and only played 539 snaps. HALF Mack's damn snaps. And he rarely dropped in to coverage. He rarely played on run downs. And he was always matched up against a offensive tackle rather than a TE or RB.
Beasley is specifically a LEO playing opposite the strong side. Teams run towards the weak side on average only 37% of the time.
Mack easily got exposed to quadruple the runs that Beasley did.
Now STFU about shite you have no clue about.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 2:52 am
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