re: IF CMR gets a MNC before he Retires...

Statue!

Comparing Dooley and Richt's first 12 years:

Dooley

3 best seasons
11-1
10-1, SEC champs
8-1-2, SEC champs

3 worst seasons
6-6
5-5-1
5-5

Richt

3 best seasons
13-1, SEC champs
12-2
11-2

3 worst seasons
6-7
8-5
9-4


Dooley and Richt both have had similar success in their first 12 years (both with 2 SEC titles), but Richt's bad years have been far better than Dooley's. Richt has been much more consistent and won at a higher level for longer.

Richt stat...
hasn't won less than 10 games in a season with a returning starter at QB. Eight 10+ win seasons in 12 yrs...

'01...Greens RSF year 8-4
'06...Stafford's FR year 9-4
'09... Cox RSSr year 8-5
'10... Murray's RSFr year 6-7

Outlier was '05 when Shockley RSSr went 10-3

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Did I ever even hint that we wouldn't take this? Do you really think that I would be opposed to a transcendent, once in a generation type player at UGA?

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No.

My point is that Dooley is not given his due credit because he got that transcendant player. Pat Dye got his in Bo Jackson. Atleast Dooley got one out of Herschel.

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Richt has coached 3 teams that were good enough to win a national title.

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No. If they were good enough they would have won them. In '02, don't lose to a bad UF team. In '07, don't lose to SC & TN. In '12, you were lucky to be as close as you were to AL. Yea, it was 5 yards or 5 seconds, but that was your moment, and you weren't good enough to take advantage.

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My point is that if you have one of "those", then yeah your chances at winning it all exponentionally increase, but it's not a requirement.

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This was my point as well. But it could be that that is exactly what it's going to take for Richt to win his. And if he does, he should be given credit for it.

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If that's how you define bull shite luck then

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He didnt' mean us losing games was shitty luck. The point he was making, which I make to people all the time, is that:

-96 UF
-03 LSU
-06 UF
-07 LSU
-08 UF
-11 bama
-12 bama

all lost at least 1 game and still played for a title. Hell throw 01 UT in there too, if they beat LSU like they should have they'd have played for it all also with a loss. Whereas in our best years with 1 or 2 losses, we haven't gotten that chance. That trend would've been broken this year, as we would've played for it all with a loss, but that's kind of out the window since we didn't win the SECCG. So I don't really count '12 in this discussion. But in 02 and 07 we could've easily been the champ but didn't get the breaks.

I will go to my grave knowing we were the best team in America in 2002, especially starting the 2nd half of the auburn game, but we didn't get lucky like some teams do. The absolute dumb luck that 07 LSU and 11 bama got in order to play for the title is mind boggling if you think about it. But in 2002 we didn't get that.

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My point is that Dooley is not given his due credit because he got that transcendant player

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I made sure to give credit where it was due. Those years count, and Dooley did what we had to do to take advantage. I'm not taking those years away from him, I was just pointing out the other 22 years of his career without Herschel.

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No. If they were good enough they would have won them

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that logic is incredibly flawed. Us being good enough doesn't mean that we would automatically win it. Auburn was good enough in 2004 to be a title team, but they had 2 other teams keep them out.

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In '02, don't lose to a bad UF team. In '07, don't lose to SC & TN

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Yes, this is obvious. It's neat and tidy to say "well if we won those games we can't complain". Yeah, obviously. But I could just as easily tell those other 8 or 9 teams I listed above not to lose games either. It didn't hurt them though. I guess in 08 UF shouldn't have lost to a bad ole miss team. Or in 07 LSU shouldn't have lost to an average arkansas team and an average UK team. Both of those teams needed luck by other teams losing for them to get a chance. We needed that too in 02 but didn't get it.

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All but one just lost one game

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Just like we did in 02. Only with most of those other teams, teams ahead of them lost (and sometimes lost inexplicably to bad teams) and they got a chance. We didn't get that in 02.

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LSU lost two, but I'm sure you remember the B.S. that year about "having" to win your conference

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hell, don't even look at that..look at what else had to happen. The 1 and 2 ranked teams going into that Saturday both lost, including WV losing to a BAD pitt team. That's the kind of bull shite dumb luck that we're talking about.

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Actually, Ole Miss turned out to be a very good team that year.

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UF still had no business losing to them in the swamp.

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IF CMR gets a MNC before he Retires...
Does he pass Dooley as our greatest HC in your opinion?

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Yes

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I guess thats the point I'm getting at...Does CMR push past Dooley, in being the "icon of UGA' way.

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Not in my mind. Just like Nick Saban will never pass Bear Bryant in icon status at Alabama.

I mean I still have an unopened Georgia Bulldogs 1980 National Champions souvenir Coke bottle. Am I just gonna pop the top and drink it down and throw out the empty once Richt finally gets one?

Hell no.

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Not in my mind. Just like Nick Saban will never pass Bear Bryant in icon status at Alabama

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Because saban isn't better than bryant. Richt very well may be better than dooley.