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re: IF CMR gets a MNC before he Retires...
Posted on 3/25/13 at 6:22 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 3/25/13 at 6:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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Because saban isn't better than bryant. Richt very well may be better than dooley.
But, I thought we were talking about "icon status". ANd if so, then it doesn't matter whos better. FOr example, Hank WIlliams Sr. is a country music icon.......but I can name a ton of country musicians that I think are better than him. Doesn't make them all "icons" though.
Boils Down To This: Dooley won the first one*. Richt can win the next five in a row.....but Richt can never win THE FIRST one.
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 6:37 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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But, I thought we were talking about "icon status". ANd if so, then it doesn't matter whos better. FOr example, Hank WIlliams Sr. is a country music icon.......but I can name a ton of country musicians that I think are better than him. Doesn't make them all "icons" though.
Ok fair point, so let's get back to that then. Dooley winning the "first" (which isn't entirely true but whatever) title here doesn't carry as much weight as you think it does. It's easy to say that because we haven't won one since. If Richt gets one in the next 5 years or so, he will have just as many national titles as dooley, a handful of SECs, and a much better overall winnings percentage. All without the really bad seasons Dooley peppered into his tenure and in a much tougher league.
Yeah vince won the "first" one, but he's not in the bear/woody/bo/bowden/paterno type pantheon. He's only looked that way by UGA fans because..well, there's no one else. We have nobody else to say "oh yeah that guy was definitely better than dooley". Dooley is the best, for now, but it's not set in stone. RBs at UGA for instance will never, ever, ever live up to Herschel. He's too transcendent. Even if we have one that wins the heisman and wins a national title, he still won't be herschel. Dooley doesn't carry that same clout that will live forever through generations. If Richt wins one, the current and future generations will look at him like the 50 and older crowd look at dooley now.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:45 pm to bulldawger
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Do you not think Richt would take this? Auburn had their Cam. Florida had their Tebow. Texas had their Young. It could be argued that Richt won't get his NC until he gets another Charlie Ward or Herschel Walker. Because the only other option is to build a team that is just better than everyone else. And he certainly hasn't done that.
Call me a Disney Dawg but Todd Gurley may be one of those kinds of players.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:27 pm to tcd2013
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Call me a Disney Dawg but Todd Gurley may be one of those kinds of players.
Already looks like one of the five best NFL prospects we've had under Richt along with Stafford, AJ, Jarvis and Ogletree. Gurley is gonna make DCs piss themselves for the next few years.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:12 am to Firewind
CMR is ALREADY the best coach in our history. Some old fart diehards may not like that fact, but it is what it is. Winning percentage + SECs + bowl victories + tougher competition than was ever seen in the SEC by Dooley or Butts. Add to all that his professed love of and loyalty to the Athens and Bulldog communities.
He still needs two things: Another 5 seasons or more with the Dawgs (I believe when he retires, it will be as a Dawg...we are it for him) and a natty. The first is totally doable. The second could have happened in 2002 (Ohio State or Miami loss would have put us in the natty that year EXACTLY the same as Urban Meyer's 2006 UF team) and could have happened again in 2012. I have to withhold 2007 because I think LSU had a legit claim to their spot after winning the SEC. The mistake that was made was in the BCS ranking us #3 going into the losses by numbers 1 and 2. That's water under the bridge.
Eight 10+ win seasons in 11 years, and with the SECs he's competed for and won, he's the man in these parts. No doubt on that.
He still needs two things: Another 5 seasons or more with the Dawgs (I believe when he retires, it will be as a Dawg...we are it for him) and a natty. The first is totally doable. The second could have happened in 2002 (Ohio State or Miami loss would have put us in the natty that year EXACTLY the same as Urban Meyer's 2006 UF team) and could have happened again in 2012. I have to withhold 2007 because I think LSU had a legit claim to their spot after winning the SEC. The mistake that was made was in the BCS ranking us #3 going into the losses by numbers 1 and 2. That's water under the bridge.
Eight 10+ win seasons in 11 years, and with the SECs he's competed for and won, he's the man in these parts. No doubt on that.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:08 am to K9
If Richt is our Icon then we will never be know for finishing the drill.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:25 am to WG_Dawg
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Dooley winning the "first" (which isn't entirely true but whatever)
How funny. I put an asterisk (*) beside it because I knew you'd jump at the chance to wag your finger, but you STILL couldn't control yourself and wagged it anyway.........
Posted on 3/26/13 at 12:22 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I know you did, and I appreciate it. I just didn't want someone to respond to my post and point out that it wasn't the first. Just figured I'd go ahead and nip it in the bud.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 12:36 pm to S1C EM
Richt is not the greatest of all time. He has consistently the last several years choked in big games. Screwing us out of a trip to the national championship game by not allowing Murray to spike the ball does not the greatest of all time make. Until he wins it all he can not claim that honor. And that is a big if since he'd just choke another fricking opportunity away when we are on the doorstep of greatness. He has perennially underachieved with the talent he has. That is not something that should be praised. @ least Dooley and Butts won it all. Until Richt can do that he can not be compared to those 2.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:30 pm to dallasga6
After 158 games...(stats are for 1st 158 games only)...
Using those stats, wouldn't Butts be the best? He achieved more conference championships, had a better major bowl record, and won a title. Richt only has the edge in Regular Season wins.
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CMR... 118 - 40... .747%...2SECC's... 2-1 in Major Bowls...(3 Sugars)... 0 MNC...
Dooley..104 - 49 - 5....674%...3SECC's(2 shared & 1 solo)... 1-3 in Major Bowls...(2 Sugar, 2 Cotton)... 0 MNC...
Butts... 103 - 48 - 7...674%...3SECC's(2 solo & 1 shared)... 3-1 in Major Bowls(2 Orange, 1 Sugar, 1 Rose)... 1 MNC...
Using those stats, wouldn't Butts be the best? He achieved more conference championships, had a better major bowl record, and won a title. Richt only has the edge in Regular Season wins.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:37 pm to The7Sins
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Richt is not the greatest of all time. He has consistently the last several years choked in big games. Screwing us out of a trip to the national championship game by not allowing Murray to spike the ball does not the greatest of all time make. Until he wins it all he can not claim that honor. And that is a big if since he'd just choke another fricking opportunity away when we are on the doorstep of greatness. He has perennially underachieved with the talent he has. That is not something that should be praised. @ least Dooley and Butts won it all. Until Richt can do that he can not be compared to those 2.
That right there......was a laugh.
Care to remind me how many losing seasons Wally Butts had? How about how many 6 win or less seasons under Dooley? Seven and six, respectively. You can claim underachievement all you want (and in 2008, in particular, you'd be correct), but you still fail to recognize CMR's success in the midst of a greater level of parity in the SEC than Butts or Dooley ever saw. You can blame him for the lack of spiking the ball against Bama or whatever else. Truth is, they aren't in that game at all without him. And I will continue to point to the fact that in many years, luck is what it boils down to. His 2002 season (second year as a head coach) was identical to Urban Meyer's at UF other than #1 and #2 did not lose and let us in the back door as USC did for UF. If the cards fall differently, we have a natty in his second year as a head coach. That not withstanding, if he stays long enough, he'll get his title. What will you have to say then? Far as I'm concerned, it's the only thing he's missing over Butts and Dooley.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:40 pm to FaCubeItches
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Using those stats, wouldn't Butts be the best?
I could agree with that. I don't think it will stay that way for much longer, though. And many people still argue that Butts' natty doesn't really exist. There also was no SEC championship game, so that changes the dynamic quite a bit. Oh, and UF was a girls school or something.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:41 pm to S1C EM
I look at it like a very good college basketball program. If he keeps putting great teams on the field, eventually all the breaks will fall our way and he will get his title.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 2:23 pm to VADawg
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I look at it like a very good college basketball program. If he keeps putting great teams on the field, eventually all the breaks will fall our way and he will get his title.
i don't think he puts in the same work and he is also not willing to bend rules enough to do that. i think richt's uneasiness with oversigning in the past has hurt us as well as our refusal to bring in 20 "coaches" like saban and relabel them. we keep talking about luck on here but excellent coaches make their own luck. richt didn't get unlucky multiple years, him and the program blew it multiple years. 2002 may be the only year i'd concede, but 2007? nope, on our program. same with the other years.
i think if he was ever gonna back his way into a title it was last year and we didn't deliver so at this point i don't think he's getting it. honestly never really thought he was but i was realllllyyyy hoping he'd prove me wrong.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:32 pm to K9
No, it's like this.
1. Dooley
2. Wally
3. Richt
Richt does less with more and the other two did more with less and they both won outright national titles and had a split title a piece. Richt needs to win the big game or he will never be considered great!
1. Dooley
2. Wally
3. Richt
Richt does less with more and the other two did more with less and they both won outright national titles and had a split title a piece. Richt needs to win the big game or he will never be considered great!
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:55 pm to Remington Dawg
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both won outright national titles and had a split title a piece.
When so? Dooley won ONE outright. Butts ARGUABLY won one in '42, but MOST experts and people associated with college football in general give that title to Ohio State (not that I agree, but it's still the case). The rest of the so-called "split" titles you speak of are only splits if you count being picked by the American Dental Association or some such. No major poll gave it to us in those "split" years.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:03 pm to Remington Dawg
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1. Dooley
2. Wally
3. Richt
Richt does less with more and the other two did more with less
How in the frick can you say Butts did more with less? Are you familiar with our rosters from the 1920s compared to what other teams had?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:36 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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i don't think he puts in the same work
Come on dude. youre better than this
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