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re: I like Bill King's AJC analysis
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:47 pm to meansonny
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:47 pm to meansonny
The blitz issues are hit and miss which is normal we have hit some big plays vs the blitz also. Swift and White in particular do a great job at picking up blitzs when they are in the game. The problem is you don't want to leave them in to block on every occasion.
I biggest issue is not attacking and pressing the whole field with the run and pass. We become scared to throw over the middle for long stretches of games. I would like to see more seams, slants, and double moves from our inside guys. A couple crossing routes and climbs wouldn't hurt in the 1st half either.
A blitz beater with Swift I would like to see more is the angle or RB choice route. Have it an automatic check if they walk up into the A&B gap to the same side run it right behind them
ND vs us That's were all the line stays in to block
VT vs Cincy I like that version also where the center if able gets out and leads the way.
I biggest issue is not attacking and pressing the whole field with the run and pass. We become scared to throw over the middle for long stretches of games. I would like to see more seams, slants, and double moves from our inside guys. A couple crossing routes and climbs wouldn't hurt in the 1st half either.
A blitz beater with Swift I would like to see more is the angle or RB choice route. Have it an automatic check if they walk up into the A&B gap to the same side run it right behind them
ND vs us That's were all the line stays in to block
VT vs Cincy I like that version also where the center if able gets out and leads the way.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 2:49 pm
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Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:30 pm to RD Dawg
meh, my post wasn't exclusively limited to Auburn. It worked beautifully on one first down, both linebackers and one safety bit on the PA, expecting the 1st down run, for just a half second on the Blaylock TD. (What's funny if Cager isn't held by the arm on the shot we took with about 2 mins left in the first quarter, we may complete two 30+ yard passes)
I don't think any UGA fan could argue that our offense is painfully predictable, even when we call it we're not scheming our receivers open and they aren't good enough to do it on their own. Both the Auburn and SC games are perfect examples of our receivers seriously struggling with physical corners. Edit to add: Especially when mugging is allowed, which seemed to be the AU DB strategy.
There's some work to be done if we want to win anything significant this year.
I don't think any UGA fan could argue that our offense is painfully predictable, even when we call it we're not scheming our receivers open and they aren't good enough to do it on their own. Both the Auburn and SC games are perfect examples of our receivers seriously struggling with physical corners. Edit to add: Especially when mugging is allowed, which seemed to be the AU DB strategy.
There's some work to be done if we want to win anything significant this year.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 4:15 pm to dhuck20
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This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 4:32 pm to dhuck20
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meh, my post wasn't exclusively limited to Auburn
Ok but I just gave you a clear example from our latest game. Did you like our unpredictability vs Auburn in the 1st half?
Do you think it worked?
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even when we call it we're not scheming our receivers open
Short of a pic play,how do we do this vs tight man coverage? I mean EVERYBODY keeps bitching about not throwing enough slants (we threw a ton
the last 2 years) How do we "scheme our WR
open" on a slant play? Jake's obviously has thrown it multiple times.
You know as well as anybody the defense AU used against us is exactly what A&M and LSU are gonna use.Tight man and stack the box...scheme ALL you want but if our WR aren't executing and getting separation along with Fromm trusting these guys we're gonna have issues.
Pretty simple.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:06 pm to RedPants
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are there seriously people who don't think our offense isn't where it needs to be to win the whole thing
There are people who don't think fans should question the coaching...especially if we ultimately win the game (never mind if it's closer than it should or could have been).
Of course when you turn to the matter of losing at home to a 4-7 South Carolina team that's not remotely at our talent level, then we get to hear that UGA just had an "off" day and it happens to even the best teams now and then.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 7:14 pm to Lucius Clay
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:16 am to Whiznot
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Stack the box with 8 men to slow down or stop the run
Until Fromm can start completing deep passes consistently, this will be the plan, and has been the plan, by every defense we've played. He's terrible at the deep ball.
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Georgia punter Jake Camarda getting the stiff workout, kicking an incredible 11 punts
That's just sad 
I'll say this, LSU got Auburn at home and only beat them by 3 points, while we beat them by 7 on the road
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:35 am to Walkthedawg
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Until Fromm can start completing deep passes consistently, this will be the plan, and has been the plan, by every defense we've played. He's terrible at the deep ball.
Deep throws isn't Fromm's strong point. He doesn't have a strong arm and he has missed some open receivers downfield. But if you watch teams that do complete a lot of downfield passes, you'll also see more wide open receivers than we've had. That's part of Fromm's issue, having to throw to smaller windows.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:07 pm to wdhalgren
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Deep throws isn't Fromm's strong point. He doesn't have a strong arm and he has missed some open receivers downfield.
I wouldn't say that, he's just not very accurate with the deep ball. He throws a great out and that's a long throw. I always yell at the TV, Throw the damn ball up to Pickens, let him go get it.
The coaches would do well to keep Landers and Simmons off the field, those guys are TERRIBLE.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:12 pm to RD Dawg
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Short of a pic play,how do we do this vs tight man coverage? I mean EVERYBODY keeps bitching about not throwing enough slants (we threw a ton
the last 2 years) How do we "scheme our WR
open" on a slant play? Jake's obviously has thrown it multiple times.
Is this a serious question? You really don't know how scheme can beat tight man defense?
First and foremost, you don't allow the defense to line up one on one. By using more bunched formations releasing in different directions the defense has to play off, often beyond where they're able to legally make contact with the receivers. How often does Coley use bunch formations? Almost never.
Slants are extremely effective against tight man, even if they don't work. By using the route more regularly, we force the corner to defend the inside route, you scheme your WRs to fake in and slant out....Fromm just can just toss an easy pass over the WRs head and, oftentimes, the WR will have plenty of empty field ahead of him and the corner running behind him.
Pick plays DO work, just can't touch the defender. We rarely run these sorts of plays. Hell, if the pick takes place at the LOS, the picking WR can even touch the defender.
Use tight ends more if the WRs are covered up. Same goes for designed RB screens.
There are hundreds of plays every OC should have in their heads to beat tight man coverage. To pretend a passing game is automatically shut down because WRs can't overpower corners is ludicrous.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:15 pm to Walkthedawg
Deep throws are low percentage. I agree Fromm needs to get better with that facet of the game, but y’all act like everyone else hits 90% of 30+ yard passes.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:28 pm to Peter Buck
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I agree Fromm needs to get better with that facet of the game, but y’all act like everyone else hits 90% of 30+ yard passes.
I bet there has been 10 times this season that the receiver had a step or two on the DB and Fromm either overthrew or underthrew the ball. Even on one of the CAGER td's, he had to wait on the ball but he was so open he was able to scamper to the end zone. You complete 1/2 of those passes and defenses won't be so eager to stack the box. You're right that it is low percentage, especially in our current offense.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:45 pm to Walkthedawg
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I bet there has been 10 times this season that the receiver had a step or two on the DB and Fromm either overthrew or underthrew the ball. Even on one of the CAGER td's, he had to wait on the ball but he was so open he was able to scamper to the end zone. You complete 1/2 of those passes and defenses won't be so eager to stack the box. You're right that it is low percentage, especially in our current offense.
I bet a lot of QBs missed a fair bit of deep balls by a step or two to open players. I bet a lot of them also threw a lot more INTs than Fromm.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 3:48 pm to Peter Buck
Also, I think Bill King and the echo chamberites forgot what we did in the 4th Quarter.
On defense, we played cover 2 man under a lot and blitzed out of it a fair bit. Some of it was bump man and some was not. When Auburn went to the stack formation with the receivers, I could not tell exactly what we were doing, but we may have moved to zone in that formation. Being in man coverage actually helped their running game out.
On offense on those last two key offensive possessions, we ran it 3 times and passed 3 times. We ran the dive, a jet sweep, and a QB read dive off a well timed blitz by Auburn. We threw one pass out of bounds to avoid a sack when an Auburn lineman got in fast. The other two passes, one was a slant and one was a dig route to the sticks. The dig route was dropped and the slant was very well covered and Auburn had a ton of pressure coming.
I would love to see us do better and there are certainly a lot of things the offense can do to get better.... yet, a lot of y’all are repeating shite you hear on the WWW and it is fricking not true. Stop it. Just stop it.
And Bill King, I invite you to come here and debate me on this point. Your article is emotional dribble and you should go back and watch the 4th quarter and apologize to your readers for misleading them...
On defense, we played cover 2 man under a lot and blitzed out of it a fair bit. Some of it was bump man and some was not. When Auburn went to the stack formation with the receivers, I could not tell exactly what we were doing, but we may have moved to zone in that formation. Being in man coverage actually helped their running game out.
On offense on those last two key offensive possessions, we ran it 3 times and passed 3 times. We ran the dive, a jet sweep, and a QB read dive off a well timed blitz by Auburn. We threw one pass out of bounds to avoid a sack when an Auburn lineman got in fast. The other two passes, one was a slant and one was a dig route to the sticks. The dig route was dropped and the slant was very well covered and Auburn had a ton of pressure coming.
I would love to see us do better and there are certainly a lot of things the offense can do to get better.... yet, a lot of y’all are repeating shite you hear on the WWW and it is fricking not true. Stop it. Just stop it.
And Bill King, I invite you to come here and debate me on this point. Your article is emotional dribble and you should go back and watch the 4th quarter and apologize to your readers for misleading them...
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:26 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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By using more bunched formations releasing in different directions the defense has to play off, often beyond where they're able to legally make contact with the receivers. How often does Coley use bunch formations?
With our WR's? I wouldn't either and when we put a man in motion off the bunch you get to read the safety and defensemuch better.Cant do it if you stay in a bunch and I'd much rather be able to do that.
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Slants are extremely effective against tight man, even if they don't work. By using the route more regularly, we force the corner to defend the inside route, you scheme your WRs to fake in and slant out
Don't know where to start here.
So you're trying to tell me our OC who coached Jake Fromm when he was extremely successful throwing slants just all of sudden ditched the play because he's a flat out idiot, correct?Hell,the coaching staff has given Jake TONS of latitude with play calling...how come he doesn't audible to it?Did he just forget his success with it?Has NOTHING to do with our WR group,right?
A slant is a recipe for disaster against press coverage with this WR group.Did you notice how Auburn quit calling it when moved our db's closer? Kinda strange I guess (sarcasm)
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pretend a passing game is automatically shut down because WRs can't overpower corners is ludicrous.
Who said anything about "overpowering corners"? I'd settle for getting a couple of steps and it will come with experience with our young guys.It also falls on Jake as well...he's gotta start playing better
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:32 pm to Peter Buck
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And Bill King, I invite you to come here and debate me on this point. Your article is emotional dribble and you should go back and watch the 4th quarter and apologize to your readers for misleading them...
C'mon bro. He was the AJC music critic and
also has a really cool UGA hat! I think that makes em more than qualified to write
about UGA FB!
He's gotta a really cool vinyl collection BTW and KNOWS his Beatle's music
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:37 pm to RD Dawg
Paul is dead
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:58 pm to RD Dawg
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RD Dawg
So Coley is doing an amazing job...got it.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:00 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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So Coley is doing an amazing job...got it.
Never once said that nor do I think so
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:44 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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So Coley is doing an amazing job...got it.
No one is saying that... the most you will hear is that he may at least be partially a victim to his HCs conservative direction. The offense needs to improve if we want to win the SEC and win in the playoffs. Again, no argument there. With that said, the only game Fromm threw an INT all season is the one we lost. 2 of the 3 in that game were not on him.. He did make one very costly INT that game. Another thing to note, the offense seems to do better when we go up tempo. Fromm has made plays when he had to. Look at the score right before the end of the half at Auburn. That has happened a number of times this season. Why don’t we go up tempo all the time? I assume it is because we typically have a lead and part of Smart’s strategy is to burn clock to help the D stay fresh. Yes, We had like 10 3 and outs against Auburn. We had the lead for most of those possessions. The way you put those games away is to get first downs and grind away. We could not do that... We also didn’t turn the ball over or give Auburn a short field. Maybe y’all know more than Smart. It’s possible. He has done a pretty good job here so far.
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