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re: How the hell is the Race so close?

Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:31 am to
Posted by LSUHobNailBoot
Watkinsville - Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1058 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:31 am to
"I kid, but surely you're just there for the concerts...."
Ha ha.
Yes growing up Catholic in Louisiana it is for sure a different experience. But we love Athens Church. I lead a small group of UGA Juniors. Fine young men. We love the community part of it.

But yeh at times it can be confusing when you open Service with Renegade from Styx....
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14180 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to
You wouldn’t know then.

If you have a CHL you don’t have to submit to a check because you have already submitted to “higher” level of scrutiny and are getting re-evaluated periodically. You don’t get checked at a gun store either. That’s my understanding anyway.

Anyone without a CHL gets checked on site.

There is no special treatment given for gun show purchases but this gets repeated all the time for effect.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2540 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:37 am to
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Then you bought it from someone with an FFL.


Fair enough...But, as previously posted, I've never seen a private seller at a gun show selling AR-15s or AK-47s. Mostly just selling shotguns and other sporting weapons.

Back to the election:

I looked at the map, and Abrams carried about 30 counties in Ga. 30 counties out of 159, and she has very nearly won.

This, folks, is why we have the electoral college in presidential elections and not popular vote.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:38 am
Posted by Hobnail
ATL
Member since Oct 2014
3197 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:41 am to
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Fair enough...But, as previously posted, I've never seen a private seller at a gun show selling AR-15s or AK-47s. Mostly just selling shotguns and other sporting weapons.


Doesn't matter, felons can't have shotguns or sporting guns, so my premise that closing the improperly named 'gun show loop hole' still stands and I think it is the most basic of common sense gun laws that 99% of the country should be able to get behind. Too bad both sides spew misinformation about what it actually means.
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5413 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:47 am to
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But yeh at times it can be confusing when you open Service with Renegade from Styx....

I attend a North Point church as well, and this part drives me crazy.
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2540 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:52 am to
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Doesn't matter, felons can't have shotguns or sporting guns, so my premise that closing the improperly named 'gun show loop hole' still stands and I think it is the most basic of common sense gun laws that 99% of the country should be able to get behind. Too bad both sides spew misinformation about what it actually means.


Based on what I've seen in my career, felons don't go to gun shows looking for a weapon. They buy them off the street nine times out of ten so as to make them as 'clean' as possible. It's too easy to trace a gun bought at a show. Gun shows are too high profile for them, and believe it or not...there's often undercover people there staking shows out.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:10 am to
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I don't think this is a socialist shift... these are moderate to right-leaning white women in the suburbs who are so disgusted with Trump that their minds are all fricked up.

I love Trump. But he repulses so many women that would otherwise be voting for peace and prosperity through common sense immigration reform, lower taxes, high employment, wage growth, strong military, peace in Korea, the fall of ISIS, fair trade, and stock market gains.


Don't think the numbers bear that out based on what I saw shared? White women voted for Kemp at a 3% higher clip than white men (the difference seemed to be that men were willing to vote for third party where women were either D/R, no significant independent percentage)

Can't seem to find the image on FB now, but it was something like 76% of white women voted for Kemp, 73% of white men?
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:12 am to
Could careless about gay marriage, people should love who they want. As a conservative, that is none of my business.

As it pertains to the second amendment, none of what you propose would have stopped anything. It is all simply the cost of being free. Note that we are free today because a bunch of rednecks with hunting rifles defeated the World's Greatest Empire, it is why the second amendment was created
...

Abortion should be insanely expensive and adoption cheap and easy.

The left is crazy and people fleeing socialism is why we have an immigration problem to begin with. Socialism is the guise used to install a dictatorship.

Several states are lost causes...and the media is simply the propaganda ministry for the left.





Posted by Hobnail
ATL
Member since Oct 2014
3197 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:13 am to
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Based on what I've seen in my career, felons don't go to gun shows looking for a weapon. They buy them off the street nine times out of ten so as to make them as 'clean' as possible. It's too easy to trace a gun bought at a show. Gun shows are too high profile for them, and believe it or not...there's often undercover people there staking shows out.



So then this law would stop 1 out of 10 illegal purchases. Everyone can agree that is great. Your career can't be a basis for public policy either, no matter how relevant your experience may be. My experience proved the exact opposite of yours. I worked in the firearms industry for 5 of the last 10 years, I lost count of the number of felons that tried to buy a gun in a frickin gun shop. Usually at the first hint of a delay with the NICS call they would bolt out the door. Happened almost weekly if not more frequently. All I am saying is that the 'gun show loop hole' however misnamed it may be, is a real thing and a well intentioned, follow the law, private seller could easily be douped by someone looking to do harm under the current system because that private seller is not required to report the sale or conduct a background check. That is crazy to me and is a HUGE 'loop hole' that can easily be exploited for evil, even if very rarely.
Posted by devils1854
Franklin
Member since Aug 2014
6348 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:15 am to
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The only state in the Union where it's still legal to have an open container in the car.


its legal in Nashville for passengers to have open containers.
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
2305 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:15 am to
As a Republican voter my entire life, except for the time I voted for Zell Miller, the Republicans need to get back to their core beliefs or it’s gonna get really ugly really fast.

The first thing they need to get back to is a balanced budget. Although I voted for Trump, I don’t like how he has raised our yearly deficit to over a trillion dollars once again. Why, in such a positive economic time, are we running such a high deficit? I actually think that Congress should pass an amendment that the national yearly deficit should not grow by more than a certain percentage of GDP. If the GOP could fix this one issue, the voters would reward them in elections

Healthcare..... I believe that we screwed this up a long time ago. My opinion is healthcare should have been solved long before we had Social Security, but of course you can’t reverse that now. The simple solution is to allow health insurance companies to sell policies that cross state lines. More competition should lower costs for all Americans. Whatever they decide, pre existing conditions coverage should be included in a new bill.

Immigration.... fix the border problem first. If that means building a wall, build a wall. Existing illegal immigrants that have been in this country for longer than 10 years, can prove they have paid their taxes, and have a job that can be verified by their employer should be allowed to pay a fine and obtain a work green card. Every year these immigrants should be allowed to renew their work visa as long as they can prove that their taxes are paid and they are employed. They must remain citizens in good standing, meaning no felonies committed. Immediate family members may stay in the country as well. This means spouses and children only. Under no circumstances should these people be granted a citizenship. This is their penalty, along with the fine for coming into this country illegally.

If the Republicans would adopt these basic policies, I feel they would be unbeatable in upcoming elections for decades to come.
Posted by Hobnail
ATL
Member since Oct 2014
3197 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:19 am to
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its legal in Nashville for passengers to have open containers.


I'll never forget my first time being 21 in Tennessee and being offered a road beer at Chilis or some crap chain like that. We had a group of 4 of us and the waiter asked us if we wanted 3 beers to go. Was awesome for 21 year old Hobnail and friends on the way to a Vandy or UT (can't remember) road game.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:23 am to
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Ha! Try driving north on 575 during rush hour, you'll quickly realize how populated it's become up here.

Yeah, I don't typically get much further north than Kennestone Hospital during peak driving hours (Red Eyed Mule is delicious!). But I can believe it... that 75N corridor has gotten really bad.

I'm looking forward to seeing the raw voter turnout numbers once it's all said and done... It looked like from my preliminary glance last night, that Dekalb voter turnout was really low... something like only 125k votes for governor cast (out of 528k registered voters as of 2016 election - and in that election turnout was 318k)? Might have been inaccurate data, but that was really surprising.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:24 am to
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I'll never forget my first time being 21 in Tennessee and being offered a road beer at Chilis or some crap chain like that. We had a group of 4 of us and the waiter asked us if we wanted 3 beers to go. Was awesome for 21 year old Hobnail and friends on the way to a Vandy or UT (can't remember) road game.


Holy shite... Is this still a thing? Why has no one ever offered me a roadie in Tennessee? WTF.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63965 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:27 am to
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Don't think the numbers bear that out based on what I saw shared? White women voted for Kemp at a 3% higher clip than white men (the difference seemed to be that men were willing to vote for third party where women were either D/R, no significant independent percentage)


Where are these numbers you posted? Don't see them in this thread.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11585 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:32 am to
I like most of what you had to say, but...

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Under no circumstances should these people be granted a citizenship. This is their penalty, along with the fine for coming into this country illegally.


This ain't gonna fly. Not when the party you're running against is offering free, unrestricted citizenship. You'll still be characterized as the "bad guy" and it will work.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:53 am to
I'm actually amenable to pretty much all of that.

Getting the GOP back on top of actually controlled spending and balanced budget would go a long way to winning me back from the middle. Just not sure it's possible any more... It sure as shite isn't going to happen at the federal level anytime soon. I don't smoke weed, but the states that have legalized it have had budget surplus galore. I'll be interested to see what the true drawbacks are over the long term, but other than people doing dumb shite with edibles, it seemingly hasn't had a huge negative impact in CO that I'm aware of? Also, signing bullshite legislation to piss away billions in economic impact is a quick way to lose me. Kemp backpedaled and said he wouldn't sign anything that does anything more than existing legislation, so hopefully he sticks by that... but I have a feeling that if a bill gets in front of him, he'll sign it and even if it isn't that bad, the optics will be enough to piss off the film unions enough to frick that industry up royally here. 4th largest industry in the state by direct economic impact, and oh by the way, it has had a large impact on our 2nd largest industry... tourism.

Healthcare... I happen to know more about this industry than most... I'm not sure we'll ever get this right. Too much money thrown at it from both ends of the spectrum to find the solution. Simply allowing policies that cross state lines will not solve the issues. Personally, I believe that if the healthcare industry as a whole is run as a for profit business model, the people needing care will ultimately lose. People complain about socialism, and often forget that they benefit from socialist "schemes" every day: police/fire departments, US military, roads/highways, public parks, public K-12 schools, public universities (like UGA) etc... and that's without including things like Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid.

Immigration... I've yet to see a compelling argument for how a wall is actually going to be beneficial. It's a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. The immigration thing has long been a lever/switch to pull/press to get either side to rally around something. Republicans aren't even "anti-immigration" when it comes to the things that they have been railing against... Trump files for exemptions to hire foreigners for his properties just like everyone else who works in a business where you need seasonal employees... golf course maintenance, farm work, etc. "The illegals" aren't taking away that many jobs that Americans want... they're taking the jobs we seem to think we are too good for.

I'm 100% with you though on the "what to do with the ones here"... if they can prove they are earning a wage and paying taxes, why the frick do we care? I'll take contributing members of society for 800 Alex. And as far as citizenship, I could see children earning citizenship based on more or less "time served" as a contributing societal member for the parents... As far as a "penalty" for coming into the country illegally, probably a little harsher than I'm willing to go, but not that far off. I guess the question is what happens if they are convicted of a felony? Do we then have to house the convicted felon, or we then deport them and their family? It's messy as frick to be sure... which is why it's so difficult for anyone to come to a common ground.


Republicans had a solid strategy over the last 10-15 years... win the states, determine the way that districts are aligned... unless they royally frick things up, they'll retain control at the national level in the 2 most important branches more often than not. Looking at the way the counties voted in Georgia, that doesn't seem to be likely to shift away any time soon, regardless of how close this one vote was.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:55 am to
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Where are these numbers you posted? Don't see them in this thread.


I saw a few things floating around this morning... as I said in my earlier post, I can't find the original post. This one is different, and from CNN poll, but same rough concept:

Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11585 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 12:12 pm to
WTH is with "Others"? And literally no number for Latinos???
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14180 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 12:17 pm to
These are all areas the Republicans and House Reps ran on in 2016 and then failed to do anything with....despite controlling the House, Senate and Presidency. It’s baffling.

House level republicans are totally incompetent.
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