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Posted on 10/2/18 at 7:11 pm to Whiznot
Fromm overthrew both Ridley and holloman on deep throws. It happens.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 7:29 pm to lewis and herschel
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Fromm versus Tennessee
Crap blocking and dropped passes hurt him. Losing Jevon Wimms hurt too.
Our wrs not only caught everything thrown to them last year, they caught everything thrown around them.
One catch in particular changed the direction of the season.....against ND. If that wasn’t a TD last season looks drastically different. Can’t discount the importance of making plays when the opportunity presents itself....
Posted on 10/2/18 at 8:04 pm to FooManChoo
The first strip sack looked like either just a terrible blocking scheme/perfect blitz package or a miscommunication between Fromm and his line. The OL almost looks to be slide protecting to the left, leaving Nauta and Swift to take care of the backside DE. The only issue is that they come with a blitz on that side that Swift tries to pick up and a DE will beat a TE in 1-on-1 pass pro 99% of the time, which is exactly what happened. I’m really not sure who was to blame for that one.
His second sack was just a horrible read on Jake’s part. Should have handed it to Holyfield, he had a hole on the left side.
The 2nd strip sack was two really bad blocks. Gaillard totally missed the inside stunt and Isaiah Wilson just got speed rushed. At times that will happen to Wilson, he’s a big dude and occasionally will get beat with speed. When it happens, Fromm needs to be able to step up in the pocket but the missed block inside wouldn’t allow it.
My biggest criticism of Jake this year is that he doesn’t seem comfortable in the pocket this season and it has led to his deep ball accuracy being slightly off and the offense seeming a little herky jerky at times. You might say that his line has given him no reason to be comfortable, but a QB has to trust his line if he wants to be effective.
Fromm has done nothing to make me think he should lose his starting position, but I do think Fields should get more playing time; not because of what Jake has or has not done, but simply because of what Jake CANNOT do. Jake is a smart QB with a good arm and he protects the ball, but the backside defenders do not have to respect him on a read option. Fields is a boost to the running game because that backside has to pause and make sure he doesn’t keep it, otherwise he has the speed and agility to take it to the house. Right now our OL is struggling a bit to get to the 2nd level in their run blocking, Fields helps a lot with that in freezing some of those guys and keeping the defense honest. Who should start? Fromm. Who should get 65% of the snaps? Fromm. 4th quarter, down by 2, 49 seconds left, no TO’s, and we have to go 50 yards to get into field goal range? GIVE ME FROMM ALL DAY. Fields adds a dynamic to our offense, though, and can help boost our run game. He needs to see the field more.
His second sack was just a horrible read on Jake’s part. Should have handed it to Holyfield, he had a hole on the left side.
The 2nd strip sack was two really bad blocks. Gaillard totally missed the inside stunt and Isaiah Wilson just got speed rushed. At times that will happen to Wilson, he’s a big dude and occasionally will get beat with speed. When it happens, Fromm needs to be able to step up in the pocket but the missed block inside wouldn’t allow it.
My biggest criticism of Jake this year is that he doesn’t seem comfortable in the pocket this season and it has led to his deep ball accuracy being slightly off and the offense seeming a little herky jerky at times. You might say that his line has given him no reason to be comfortable, but a QB has to trust his line if he wants to be effective.
Fromm has done nothing to make me think he should lose his starting position, but I do think Fields should get more playing time; not because of what Jake has or has not done, but simply because of what Jake CANNOT do. Jake is a smart QB with a good arm and he protects the ball, but the backside defenders do not have to respect him on a read option. Fields is a boost to the running game because that backside has to pause and make sure he doesn’t keep it, otherwise he has the speed and agility to take it to the house. Right now our OL is struggling a bit to get to the 2nd level in their run blocking, Fields helps a lot with that in freezing some of those guys and keeping the defense honest. Who should start? Fromm. Who should get 65% of the snaps? Fromm. 4th quarter, down by 2, 49 seconds left, no TO’s, and we have to go 50 yards to get into field goal range? GIVE ME FROMM ALL DAY. Fields adds a dynamic to our offense, though, and can help boost our run game. He needs to see the field more.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 8:32 pm to Whiznot
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That remains to be seen.
does it though? My eyes have seen enough from last year in the biggest games UGA has played in this century to know that Jake has what it takes to succeed in those situations. He doesnt need to show me anything else. He has been perfectly fine this year.
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The QB situation is fluid.
Uh that is the exact opposite of what you want, so I hope not.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 8:56 pm to jodeaux
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I think this season is Fromm's but we know what we need to do moving forward. We will be a legit contender with Fields being the man I think.
Damn is your memory that short, are you seriously saying that we lost in the NCG by 3 in overtime with all the bad calls and you are saying that we need Justin Fields to be our QB to be a legit contender.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:05 pm to FooManChoo
Fromm's passing percentage through 5 game in 2018 is 72.5, which I believe would be the highest percentage for any QB in UGA history, should he continue that clip.
Bench the rag arm motherfricker.
Bench the rag arm motherfricker.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:09 pm to crispyUGA
I completely agree with what you said, Crispy. I think Fields adds that extra dimension but Fromm is the guy I want when our backs are against the wall. I also thought you made a good point about Fromm not having the confidence in the OL.
The more I watch these highlights and the games the more I see what you're saying. Last year, whether it was naivety or just better blocking, Fromm felt better in the pocket. He needs to grow to navigate the pocket better. He did a lot of this I feel his freshman year with this being he doesn't step up well or avoid the pressure.
At the end of the day I think we should use Fields more, almost like Tebow with Chris Leak. But I think Fromm is going to improve and I think he makes some impressive throws. If he can get to late 2017 form I think we'll be glad he is still the starter but a lot of that comes on Fromm and the OL gelling more.
Finally, I think he and the WR corp just don't have the cohesiveness he had last year. Godwin is less of a factor right now and he doesn't have Wimms. I think he feels good with Mecole and Ridley and Holloman and Simmons are solid but the latter 2 I don't think have that connection yet. It's shite analysis on my part and purely subjective but it's the feeling I get and that will come with I time I hope.
I think that if our shuffled OL can just get their shite together we'll be much better off against LSU. I think Fromm is still our guy, Fields needs to be used more, and I also think that thus far Chaney really hasn't had that bad of a game plan. Maybe too complicated, sometimes some shite calls and over reliance on throwing a 1 yd pass to Mecole but overall I think it's close. But close doesn't mean shite if it doesn't all come together.
To end this diatribe, Crow, I generally believe everything you say but I am with the Fromm-contingent as of now. Fields may be what our team needs but I just don't see the program reaching it's potential with him in 2018. As for 2019, well, it's gonna be hard for Fromm to start if Fields shows hes a reliable passing thread. His action thus far, while limited, is impressive with arm talent and speed but he absolutely looks like a true freshman. MTSU alone scared me to press him into a starting role any time soon.
The more I watch these highlights and the games the more I see what you're saying. Last year, whether it was naivety or just better blocking, Fromm felt better in the pocket. He needs to grow to navigate the pocket better. He did a lot of this I feel his freshman year with this being he doesn't step up well or avoid the pressure.
At the end of the day I think we should use Fields more, almost like Tebow with Chris Leak. But I think Fromm is going to improve and I think he makes some impressive throws. If he can get to late 2017 form I think we'll be glad he is still the starter but a lot of that comes on Fromm and the OL gelling more.
Finally, I think he and the WR corp just don't have the cohesiveness he had last year. Godwin is less of a factor right now and he doesn't have Wimms. I think he feels good with Mecole and Ridley and Holloman and Simmons are solid but the latter 2 I don't think have that connection yet. It's shite analysis on my part and purely subjective but it's the feeling I get and that will come with I time I hope.
I think that if our shuffled OL can just get their shite together we'll be much better off against LSU. I think Fromm is still our guy, Fields needs to be used more, and I also think that thus far Chaney really hasn't had that bad of a game plan. Maybe too complicated, sometimes some shite calls and over reliance on throwing a 1 yd pass to Mecole but overall I think it's close. But close doesn't mean shite if it doesn't all come together.
To end this diatribe, Crow, I generally believe everything you say but I am with the Fromm-contingent as of now. Fields may be what our team needs but I just don't see the program reaching it's potential with him in 2018. As for 2019, well, it's gonna be hard for Fromm to start if Fields shows hes a reliable passing thread. His action thus far, while limited, is impressive with arm talent and speed but he absolutely looks like a true freshman. MTSU alone scared me to press him into a starting role any time soon.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:01 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I've watched every Tennessee game this year and that was the most aggressive defense they've used by far. I rewatched Saturday's game and I believe there was at least one blitzing defender on every pass play save one, and they came from every direction and a fair amount of stunting by the DL.
Because we have an inexperienced OL and RB's, I suspected that Pruitt might save his most aggressive game plan for Georgia and he did. Our offense didn't look prepared for that and I doubt it would have with Fields either, his better mobility notwithstanding. The one screen play should have worked well, and it'd be nice if we can practice and use screens enough to run it reliably when we face an over-agressive defense.
But despite all that, Fromm played a good game and kept his cool despite being hit several times. Fields will get more PT, but he's likely not ready to run much of our offense against an aggressive defensive attack and may well have had more errors than Fromm did if he'd played a lot of snaps on Saturday.
Because we have an inexperienced OL and RB's, I suspected that Pruitt might save his most aggressive game plan for Georgia and he did. Our offense didn't look prepared for that and I doubt it would have with Fields either, his better mobility notwithstanding. The one screen play should have worked well, and it'd be nice if we can practice and use screens enough to run it reliably when we face an over-agressive defense.
But despite all that, Fromm played a good game and kept his cool despite being hit several times. Fields will get more PT, but he's likely not ready to run much of our offense against an aggressive defensive attack and may well have had more errors than Fromm did if he'd played a lot of snaps on Saturday.
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:24 pm to wdhalgren
I can’t add much to what has been said but did notice in the last few games our o line gets a helluva push on running plays where they just go forward against the guy in front of them. When they pull or pass block they’re not the fleetest of foot and defenders get through the gaps or get around them.
I’m starting to think Fromm isnt going downfield as much because he has to get rid of the ball as the pocket collapses or as was said doesn’t feel entirely comfortable stepping into the pocket.
We have to get this shite straight because LSU is going to put a ton of pressure on us. Even though it was incomplete...the dropped screen to Swift would’ve been a touchdown and we need a lot more of that. Swift should have caught it but Fromm also short armed it and it was low.
I feel better now after watching the replay.
I’m starting to think Fromm isnt going downfield as much because he has to get rid of the ball as the pocket collapses or as was said doesn’t feel entirely comfortable stepping into the pocket.
We have to get this shite straight because LSU is going to put a ton of pressure on us. Even though it was incomplete...the dropped screen to Swift would’ve been a touchdown and we need a lot more of that. Swift should have caught it but Fromm also short armed it and it was low.
I feel better now after watching the replay.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:32 pm to SquatchDawg
Main thing I take away from this film is that we need to get the ball to Hardman, Swift, and Holloman in space as much as possible. They're all athletic freaks.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 10:44 pm to TearsofKnowshon
I would add Nauta to that list. He may miss on some blocks but he’s a train when he gets the ball and has pretty good hands.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 11:45 pm to SquatchDawg
Y’all are falling into the trap. Fromm is the man. This is not a Tua/Hurts deal
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:01 am to Hobnailboot
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Y’all are falling into the trap. Fromm is the man.
If he is, we aren't winning anything of any importance unless he starts playing far better. He's the man of dink and dunk, game management football. I thought he would take a step forward this year, and the exact opposite has happened. Spare me the BS stats.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 12:03 am
Posted on 10/3/18 at 6:30 am to howieshoodlums
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are you seriously saying that we lost in the NCG by 3 in overtime with all the bad calls and you are saying that we need Justin Fields to be our QB to be a legit contender.
The bar has been raised by tua. We were close because saban was dumb enough to keep tua on the sidelines for a half. Goes to show even the best coaches make mistakes
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:20 am to HTDawg
Except he has already won a SEC Championship and got us within a count's hair of a championship.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:24 am to K9
Except that Baker outplayed him and tua outplayed him. Thankfully the ou d couldn’t stop our rbs and tua was a backup for 13.5 games.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:56 am to djsdawg
Jake is a good QB and a great game manager. Tua and Baker are/were elite college QBs and can take over a game. Jake just hasn’t shown to be that kind of guy. Maybe it’s because he hasn’t been asked to be that guy, but has yet to really show that he can flip a switch and be the game changer. To be fair, we don’t know if Justin Fields is that kind of QB, either. He (Fields) has played well, for the most part, when he’s been in but he’s never had much pressure on him. It’s unfair to compare Fromm to Tua, Baker, etc because he simply isn’t that type of QB. He is great at what he does, though.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:13 am to djsdawg
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Except that Baker outplayed him and tua outplayed him. Thankfully the ou d couldn’t stop our rbs and tua was a backup for 13.5 games.
wow
ok, have a good one.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:15 am to K9
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wow
ok, have a good one.
If you disagree with any point made, and it looks like you do, What a terrible argument against them.
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