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Fox did a great job yesterday
Posted on 3/13/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/13/16 at 12:50 pm
UGA got pasted in Rupp earlier this season, and Mark Fox realized some things needed to change for yesterday to be different. UGA played faster, which didn't allow UK and their superior athletes to settle in on defense, and the mass substitutions ended up being great. Fox coached a brilliant game yesterday and was a big reason why UGA, who doesn't have anywhere near the talent of Kentucky, was able to hang around. I believe UGA would have won that game if Frazier didn't get injured.
It has taken awhile, but the program has more stability now than it has in a long, long time. Georgia will never be a program that is always in the Final Four hunt, but the last thing we need right now is to fire Fox and restart after he's finally got it pointed in the right direction following the Dennis Felton dumpster fire.
For those who were screaming for Bruce Pearl, he's lost 20 games in both of his two years at Auburn.
It has taken awhile, but the program has more stability now than it has in a long, long time. Georgia will never be a program that is always in the Final Four hunt, but the last thing we need right now is to fire Fox and restart after he's finally got it pointed in the right direction following the Dennis Felton dumpster fire.
For those who were screaming for Bruce Pearl, he's lost 20 games in both of his two years at Auburn.
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Posted on 3/13/16 at 1:06 pm to VADawg
Fox really needs to keep the team focused on build on this momentum. Needs to get them to view the NIT less as a consolation prize and more as preseason practice for next year (in which Mann and Gaines will be around to help).
Really has built a solid ground upon which this program can grow over the past 3 seasons and the crowds at Stegeman this year have proven that.
Excited to see what the Athletic board votes on in May as Stegeman should be getting a hanging jumbotron which will only help to legitimize the program in the SEC. Would really like to see some ribbon boards and seating improvements
Really has built a solid ground upon which this program can grow over the past 3 seasons and the crowds at Stegeman this year have proven that.
Excited to see what the Athletic board votes on in May as Stegeman should be getting a hanging jumbotron which will only help to legitimize the program in the SEC. Would really like to see some ribbon boards and seating improvements
Posted on 3/13/16 at 4:34 pm to tylerdurden24
If he would play the AAU game & get a lil' down & dirty in the mud to recruit we could eventually build a powerhouse in Athens. Thought we hired a guy with strong AAU (Atlanta Celtics) ties a coupla years ago, apparently not... 
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Posted on 3/13/16 at 4:38 pm to dallasga6
"playing the AAU game" is a myth. He does "play the game," every player we have played AAU, we do have an assistant with strong AAU ties and the 2 top 100 commits we have coming this year played major AAU>
Posted on 3/13/16 at 4:39 pm to dallasga6
Recruiting has improved a bit; I'd sooner we pull in 4* guys every year than rely on a walk-on or JUCO transfer.
I think Fox avoids the AAU circuit, though, primarily because he is trying to build a program that doesn't use shithead players from shithead AAU programs. He wants good, intelligent kids on his team. Maten, Frzier, Ogbeide, Turtle, they're some of the nicest and brightest kids you'll ever meet. Given that we're never going to be a national powerhouse, I'm cool with only bringing in 4* guys of high moral caliber if it means also making the tournament most years.
I think Fox avoids the AAU circuit, though, primarily because he is trying to build a program that doesn't use shithead players from shithead AAU programs. He wants good, intelligent kids on his team. Maten, Frzier, Ogbeide, Turtle, they're some of the nicest and brightest kids you'll ever meet. Given that we're never going to be a national powerhouse, I'm cool with only bringing in 4* guys of high moral caliber if it means also making the tournament most years.
Posted on 3/13/16 at 4:40 pm to TigerinUGA
Can you tell me about the guys we have coming in?
Posted on 3/13/16 at 5:00 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Crump is a 4* top 100 national player that plays the 2. Had offers from memphis, fsu, bama and others. I'm hoping he can provide immediate help espeically from range.
Harris is also a 4* top 100 player that is ranked just a tick below Crump. He's a bit taller and has offers from uconn, maryland, stanford, ut, and others.
I don't really get into BB recruiting so I can't dive into specifics on either but that's at least a quick glance. They both play the 2 so I imagine both will see hefty PT next year.
Harris is also a 4* top 100 player that is ranked just a tick below Crump. He's a bit taller and has offers from uconn, maryland, stanford, ut, and others.
I don't really get into BB recruiting so I can't dive into specifics on either but that's at least a quick glance. They both play the 2 so I imagine both will see hefty PT next year.
Posted on 3/13/16 at 5:42 pm to WG_Dawg
Harris is a 2-3 and Crump is a combo 1-2 guard. Really like the potential of both of them. Expect Crump to make a bigger impact year 1, provide an instant scoring punch.
Posted on 3/13/16 at 8:55 pm to TigerinUGA
Helluva a NIT coach from time to time.
Contrast that with Okie State that just canned theirs after 8 seasons and they went dancing 5 years of those 8.
The expectation of the basketball program is amazingly and embarrassingly low. We can find a better coach.
In regard to Pearl, have your people call my people after 7 years.
Contrast that with Okie State that just canned theirs after 8 seasons and they went dancing 5 years of those 8.
The expectation of the basketball program is amazingly and embarrassingly low. We can find a better coach.
In regard to Pearl, have your people call my people after 7 years.
Posted on 3/13/16 at 9:12 pm to WhopperDawg
Their arena holds 3000 more and has 14 suites. They dropped $56 million to upgrade it recently. Their attendance started to drop to levels coming close to the levels of UGAs best attendance years. Give Fox that arena and fan support and facilities and he recruits better and wins more games. The problem is, we are playing at or above our University's support.
Posted on 3/13/16 at 9:13 pm to WhopperDawg
AAU is no longer where you find the nations best....
Its all about the shoe leagues (nike eybl, addidas, under armour), best players are all found here
Its all about the shoe leagues (nike eybl, addidas, under armour), best players are all found here
Posted on 3/13/16 at 11:09 pm to Peter Buck
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Give Fox that arena and fan support and facilities and he recruits better and wins more games.
That is one way to look at it.
Another way is to hire the right coach, start the wins coming (it has been done before and even at (gasp) UGA) and then the fans and money will come and you can fund improvements.
Create it and they will come. Else, pat yourself on the back for maybe getting a home game in the NIT. Truly pitiful.
There is no reason, no reason with the right coach UGA cannot make the dance at least 1 out of every 2 years. I am fricking tired of hearing the bullshite excuses, history is littered with coaches that came in to situations much worse than UGA basketball and turned chicken shite into chicken salad. Littered.
Get the right fricking guy.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:56 am to WhopperDawg
well, if you recall, we had a guy come through here and turn us into a basketball school overnight. Tubby Smith... And he left pretty much as soon as he got an offer from a basketball school. That will,continue to happen until we act like a basketball school.
In fact, I see Fox leaving us before we fire him... Not because of expectations, but because he will get scooped up by a basketball school.
In fact, I see Fox leaving us before we fire him... Not because of expectations, but because he will get scooped up by a basketball school.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:47 am to Peter Buck
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left as soon as he got an offer from a basketball school
C'mon he got the number 1 job in all of college basketball and he also got us to the sweet 16 and if not for a fluke shot by Syracuse we would have got to the elite 8.
Fox hasn't come close and won't come close to getting an offer from an elite basketball
School.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:51 am to Peter Buck
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as soon as he got an offer from a basketball school
It wasn't a basketball school, it was Kentucky arguably THE basketball school.
The parallels between the Richt lovers and the Fox lovers are amazing.
1) The program is where we have always been, we are not (an Alabama - football or a Kentucky - basketball) and never will be
2) Because of 1, be thankful for what you have, they are very good coaches and they get good results given who we are. Be happy with a Florida bowl or the NIT.
3) If they leave (fired or otherwise), it could be worse, so let's cling to them like the hands of grim death.
It makes me sick.
Get the right guy. Good things will follow. The examples of that are endless.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:28 am to WhopperDawg
So, we need to hire a guy who is really good, but not good enough to coach an elite program when they come calling ?
our program just does no get many NBA players. 5 in the last 15 years. I recall reading something that said GA is the 8th best state for NBA players. Does it all come down to coaching? Is that why they don't come to UGA?
Y'all act like comments like mine have an emotional context. I don't really care who the coach is... I would love to have a coach come in here and keep at least 1 of the top 3 players in the state every year.
Could anyone do that at UGA and sustain it? I'd love to see it, but I don't see it happening based solely on the fact that we have not shown a commitment to do so as a school.
our program just does no get many NBA players. 5 in the last 15 years. I recall reading something that said GA is the 8th best state for NBA players. Does it all come down to coaching? Is that why they don't come to UGA?
Y'all act like comments like mine have an emotional context. I don't really care who the coach is... I would love to have a coach come in here and keep at least 1 of the top 3 players in the state every year.
Could anyone do that at UGA and sustain it? I'd love to see it, but I don't see it happening based solely on the fact that we have not shown a commitment to do so as a school.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:46 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Can you tell me about the guys we have coming in?
Crump is pretty strictly a 2 guard. Reminds me of Seth Curry (Steph's younger brother who played at Duke). Crump is an elite shooter with Frazier type range. He could be electric coming off the bench to give a scoring boost. He also has a pretty nice handle on the ball and seems to be composed.
Harris is a tall, athletic, and rangy lefty. He can jump out of the gym, but is much more raw and less polished than Crump, however, Harris seems to have a much higher ceiling which can be backed up by his offers from elite schools. He is a volume scorer and runs the floor in transition really well. He has a tendency to take some bad shots, but when he gets hot...watch out.
In my opinion, Harris and Crump are 2 of the most talented recruits we've had since KCP, Gaines, Thompkins, and Leslie. They could make an immediate impact.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:56 pm to Peter Buck
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our program just does no get many NBA players. 5 in the last 15 years. I recall reading something that said GA is the 8th best state for NBA players. Does it all come down to coaching? Is that why they don't come to UGA?
The coach is not all of it, but it is a lot of it and you have to start there. It can be done, there are far, far too many instances where a coach comes in and turns a less than robust flawed program into a helluva a good program. There is just too much in state talent for this program to be where it is.
The alternative is to say we always be shitty and that is not acceptable. But wishing for the magic wand, probably isn't going to happen, the admins are definitely part of the problem, a big part. But I don't think they are doing to plunk down major cash until the programs gets more legs under it than it does now. You gotta start somewhere and that somewhere is the coach.
Do you think we would be getting the indoor practice facility if we were futzing around with a 500% football team over the past decade? No.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:11 pm to WhopperDawg
Conversely, if we don't appear to be fully committed to compete in basketball with the elite teams, how long will a hot up and comer coach stay here? History tells us not long. Historically, we have had our best success with a stable and loyal coach who is good with Xs and Os... And even he got caught up in NCAA troubles.
Frankly, we do a terrible job of getting people in seats at those games. I think we had more people at games in the 80s than we do now. Sure, winning will help that but we tend to be pretty fickle with that as well.
Frankly, we do a terrible job of getting people in seats at those games. I think we had more people at games in the 80s than we do now. Sure, winning will help that but we tend to be pretty fickle with that as well.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:22 pm to WhopperDawg
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The coach is not all of it, but it is a lot of it and you have to start there
I get your point. We've seen, even recently, that all it takes is a great coach to turn us around quickly. We sold out every home game and were even RANKED! in harrick's last year. With the right coach we can win big and win soon.
But you go after big fish like that after you fire a jirsa or a felton. You don't fire a Fox to get there.
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