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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:44 pm to BeefDawg
Of course beef boy is confused. Useless is using no face mask.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:55 pm to djsdawg
quote:Wrong. The surgical masks are 100% useless as the virus particles are much smaller than the pours in the surgical masks.
Of course beef boy is confused. Useless is using no face mask.
The N95 masks are form-fitted and much more dense, but need to be properly fitted and worn properly (two points of application, high and low).
I even posted a video of one of your Leftwing media outlets saying EXACTLY that. Surgical masks are TOTALLY USELESS.
But you go on being ignorant and shaming people for not being ignorant like you, and likely contributing to people getting sick who don't need to wear any masks, much less ones that are completely useless.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:07 pm to BeefDawg
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The doctor they had on at the end said everything I said earlier.
No, she didn’t. You are literally lying. Very Trumpian of you though. Take an accusation and throw it right back at the person.
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The surgical masks are useless because COVID goes right through them
When you inhale. Nice job leaving her next sentence out. Once again, nobody is saying masks protect you if you are in contact with COVID droplets. It pretty effectively prevents droplets from being exhaled, though. That’s what the doctor at the beginning said.
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and the N95 masks should be used by health professionals and only sick people or vulnerable people.
Okay? Nobody is saying everyone should wear an N95 mask. A normal surgical mask, or even a piece of cloth, will dramatically reduce the spread.
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Normal healthy uninfected people should not wear them. They all said that
They said N95 masks. They didn’t say all masks. And how does an asymptomatic person know if they are infected. They did not opine on that subject in the video, but please, tell me the time hash for that.
As far as the other people, those are quacks. Anyone can find fringe idiots who make rounds on Fox and Friends.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:27 pm to BeefDawg
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The surgical masks are 100% useless as the virus particles are much smaller than the pours in the surgical masks.
Big difference in dispersion of particles in the air with a mask on vs none at all.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:49 pm to baconwaffle
quote:You're such a fricking liar.
baconwaffle
0:34s "Which one's do the health officials say to use? None of them."
1:29s "People see a mask and they see an illusion of protection... Anyone who does not have a respiratory illness, meaning a cough or sneezing, should not be wearing any type of mask." - Dr. David Eisenman
2:22s "And believe it or not, by wearing a mask, you could be puting yourself at even more risk."
3:49s "We use surgical masks in hospital settings, or even, you know, out in the public... on sick people. Okay, viral particles, Corona Virus and Influenza, to name two, go right through that mask... that's why they're not helpful." - Dr. Jen
4:14s "What I want to show you is these N95 respirators. There are a bunch of different styles and these are what we use in hospital settings for healthcare professionals. They have to be measured for your face... they have to be put on properly, they have two elastic bands, one has to go high on the head, one has to be around the neck. We're seeing people wear these incorrectly. These... are... not... for... lay-public... use."
And those other doctors aren't quacks, they are doctors. Hell, one of them is a Brit on the fricking BBC, for christ sake.
But of course, when you're getting your arse handed to you in an argument, you go to your typical bullshite of "Fox News!"
You're a goddamn braindead cliche, and a liar. And you fricking know it, too. WTF is wrong with you???
Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:59 pm to djsdawg
quote:Again, wrong. If you're close enough to get droplet particles on you, you are close enough to inhale virus arisols.
Big difference in dispersion of particles in the air with a mask on vs none at all.
If a sick person sneezes or coughs with a surgical mask, the virus arisols are going to go right through the surgical mask and they're going to float and travel all around, much further than droplets would/could.
This is how intellectually dishonest you people are. It's insane. I show you a video of your own fricking political tribe telling us that COVID particulates go right through surgical masks, and you STILL sit here trying to tell us they aren't useless.
You are so fricking dead set on wanting to be right, you can't even accept the words of people I don't politically align with and you do. That's how fricked in the head you are.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:23 pm to BeefDawg
Masks aren’t perfect, but With a mask, less particles get out, and they don’t travel as far. Just admit you, you are wrong as always beef boy.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:24 pm to BeefDawg
No, you are continuing to take this out of context.
I agree with this. If someone is not ill, then I agree that wearing a mask is pointless. It protects other people from you if you are sick, but it does not protect you from sick people. But once again, this clip is dated. This predates widespread understanding that a large percentage of COVID-positive people will be asymptomatic.
Could, not will. In the very next sentence, which you conveniently omit, he states that if you wear a mask incorrectly and readjust it with germy hands, you could be putting yourself at risk.
4:02s "If you say then why is it helpful in preventing this way? Because people coughing, sneezing, spewing particles into the room, of course that's barrier."
So how about these sources stating that wearing masks is effective. I'd like to hear your medical critique of these.
CDC mask recommendations
Mayo Clinic
Oxford University School of Medicine
Article written by Harvard Medical School epidemiologist
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1:29s "People see a mask and they see an illusion of protection... Anyone who does not have a respiratory illness, meaning a cough or sneezing, should not be wearing any type of mask."
I agree with this. If someone is not ill, then I agree that wearing a mask is pointless. It protects other people from you if you are sick, but it does not protect you from sick people. But once again, this clip is dated. This predates widespread understanding that a large percentage of COVID-positive people will be asymptomatic.
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2:22s "And believe it or not, by wearing a mask, you could be puting yourself at even more risk."
Could, not will. In the very next sentence, which you conveniently omit, he states that if you wear a mask incorrectly and readjust it with germy hands, you could be putting yourself at risk.
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3:49s "We use surgical masks in hospital settings, or even, you know, out in the public... on sick people. Okay, viral particles, Corona Virus and Influenza, to name two, go right through that mask... that's why they're not helpful." - Dr. Jen
4:02s "If you say then why is it helpful in preventing this way? Because people coughing, sneezing, spewing particles into the room, of course that's barrier."
So how about these sources stating that wearing masks is effective. I'd like to hear your medical critique of these.
CDC mask recommendations
Mayo Clinic
Oxford University School of Medicine
Article written by Harvard Medical School epidemiologist
Posted on 7/7/20 at 5:56 pm to baconwaffle
quote:No, I'm not. Everyone can watch the video, along with the other videos I've posted of doctors who have no goddamn affiliation with anyone, including your bullshite goto of "DERP FOX NEWS DERP DERP *retard lisp*", and see they flat out said nobody except sick/symptomatic people and healthcare workers should be wearing masks, and that surgical masks are useless because COVID particulates are so small they pass right through them.
No, you are continuing to take this out of context.
And trying to suggest "the clip is dated" suddenly somehow changes all this is just more proof of how goddamn mother fricking full of shite and dishonest you are.
The "dated" argument also only proves how insidious the media and their paid for "experts" and "doctors" are. The fact they can flip-flop so easily in a matter of weeks from very clearly explaining how something is useless to suddenly it's now useful, shows there is a contrived narrative being manipulated.
Also, NOTHING you've posted remotely addresses the multiple independent doctors I posted that explain how unnecessary extended wearing of masks is dangerous because it leads to carbon dioxide asphyxiation, hypoxia, and sympathomimetic overdrive.
I mean, come the frick on, just use some freaking logic, man. You're sitting there breathing in your own air. How do you not understand this means you're breathing in significantly more carbon dioxide and less oxygen???
Seriously, just use your fricking head on that. You don't have to be a damn scientist or doctor to see this.
And when you accept that obvious bit of information, then go do some basic research on what happens when you get too much carbon dioxide and too little oxygen.
Don't even take mine or the doctors I've posted word for it. Just go do 5 minutes of that bit of research and you will be a metric frick ton less ignorant and stupid than you are right now.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:12 pm to BeefDawg
From the CDC, "An N95 FFR is a type of respirator which removes particles from the air that are breathed through it. These respirators filter out at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles. N95 FFRs are capable of filtering out all types of particles, including bacteria and viruses."
N95 Filtering Facepiece Respirators
For Hospitals and other Health Care Settings
N95 Filtering Facepiece Respirators
For Hospitals and other Health Care Settings
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:13 pm to baconwaffle
quote:Here's my take on these, which all basically say about the same thing:
So how about these sources stating that wearing masks is effective. I'd like to hear your medical critique of these.
CDC mask recommendations
Mayo Clinic
Oxford University School of Medicine
Article written by Harvard Medical School epidemiologist
Quoted from the Mayo Cinic article
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Also called a medical mask, a surgical mask is a loose-fitting disposable mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.
At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.
Yes, they can filter out LARGE PARTICLES.
But COVID, the Flu, and MANY other viruses, are not "large particles". They are all EXTREMELY small.
So small that the analogy used is that a surgical mask is like a chain-link fence trying to prevent dust particles from getting in.
And I don't know how else to keep saying it, but this makes the freaking things USELESS.
Why?
Because the only good use all these places you're quoting say they have, other than containing large particles, is preventing infected droplets from getting in or out.
Now here's the simple logic, buddy.........
IF YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO AVOID BEING INFECTED BY A DROPLET, YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE INFECTED BY A SMALL ARISOL PARTICULATE THAT PASSES RIGHT THROUGH.
You're not going to get hit with a fricking droplet or hit someone with your droplets if you're 10-20 feet away from someone whether there's a mask or not. Ergo, the only benefit is and usefulness of the mask is when people are close enough to each other that droplets could be exchanged.
BUT, the damn things don't stop the virus from passing through them, so if you're that close, you're close enough to inhale or spread a virus particulate.
frick, this shouldn't be this hard. But you're so bought in to your brainwashed narrative it's made you so you can't even process simple logic without the media or some "expert" telling you what to think.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:21 pm to Whiznot
quote:No shite. Way to show up to the debate late and saying something we've all already agreed on.
From the CDC, "An N95 FFR is a type of respirator which removes particles from the air that are breathed through it. These respirators filter out at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles. N95 FFRs are capable of filtering out all types of particles, including bacteria and viruses."
N95 Filtering Facepiece Respirators
For Hospitals and other Health Care Settings
The mask in the comic is a surgical mask, not an N95. And, let us know the next time you actually see regular folks sporting actual real N95's. It's extremely uncommon.
And on top of that, N95's, because they are more dense and harder to breathe through, are even more at risk of causing people harm when worn for extensive periods.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:30 pm to Whiznot
quote:You keep bringing these up. Have you ever been fit tested for one?
N95
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:37 pm to baconwaffle
quote:If you agree with this, then why did you post a meme that mocks Trump and Trump supporters for not buying into the "everyone should wear a mask" narrative.
I agree with this. If someone is not ill, then I agree that wearing a mask is pointless. It protects other people from you if you are sick, but it does not protect you from sick people.
Because you know damn well that is the narrative. Healthy people are being shamed and yelled at by groups of Lefties if they walk into a grocery store in a majority Democrat area without a mask.
And where did they get this notion? They didn't pull it out of their arse.
We have idiots here who have said countless times now that everyone should wear a mask.
Trump didn't say nobody wear a mask, either. He very specifically said what even Leftwing Good Morning fricking America said. "If you're sick or symptomatic, wear a mask, and if you're not, then it's not necessary."
But you post that meme, and then turn around and "agree that wearing a mask is pointless" if someone is not ill???
LOL, you people.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:38 pm to BeefDawg
quote:I see random people wearing them frequently. It's not uncommon in the least. It is, however, uncommon to see someone wearing one that fits. I just had to get fit tested at work again because we ran out of the ones I was fit tested for before and had to change styles.
And, let us know the next time you actually see regular folks sporting actual real N95's. It's extremely uncommon.
They also don't do any good when they're so used that they don't hold shape and have bacteria growing in them from hot breath and darkness.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:05 pm to BeefDawg
Everyone should wear a mask because they might be asymptomatic. That’s literally the only reason, and it’s simple. If everyone was symptomatic, then there would be no need, assuming those people stayed home.
And you’re right, if COVID is airborne, then masks won’t stop it from being exhaled through a mask, although it will keep it from being projected quite as far. But it appears the transmission is waterborne (breath, cough, sneeze), in which case the mask will mop up the droplets. Not 100%, but a hell of a lot more than no mask.
And you’re right, if COVID is airborne, then masks won’t stop it from being exhaled through a mask, although it will keep it from being projected quite as far. But it appears the transmission is waterborne (breath, cough, sneeze), in which case the mask will mop up the droplets. Not 100%, but a hell of a lot more than no mask.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:29 pm to BeefDawg
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Also, NOTHING you've posted remotely addresses the multiple independent doctors I posted that explain how unnecessary extended wearing of masks is dangerous because it leads to carbon dioxide asphyxiation, hypoxia, and sympathomimetic overdrive.
Holy shite at your hysteria. I sure hope none of them perform lengthy surgical procedures without wearing masks.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:44 pm to SneakyWaff1es
quote:I rarely see real N95's. Like maybe 1 in 100, if that. My wife's a nurse, and we go out and she will point out real ones occasionally and say how surprised she is to see it.
I see random people wearing them frequently. It's not uncommon in the least. It is, however, uncommon to see someone wearing one that fits. I just had to get fit tested at work again because we ran out of the ones I was fit tested for before and had to change styles.
They also don't do any good when they're so used that they don't hold shape and have bacteria growing in them from hot breath and darkness.
The VAST majority of people are in surgical masks or those generic crap one's you see drywall contractors wear that they buy at Home Depot. Or even designer cloth ones that are even less protective because they are so much more porous than even a surgical mask, while holding in even more carbon dioxide and breeding even more bacteria.
The hilarious one's are when you're driving down the highway and there's one person in a car next to you by themself and they're wearing their mask. Freaking brainwashed imbeciles.
Either way, these things are not made for extended use. My brother-in-law, who's a pediatric surgeon, says during surgeries he trades them out about every 2 hours if the surgery goes that long. They get easily soiled with sweat and saliva and start growing bacteria and smelling quickly.
And it is a fact that continuously breathing in your own carbon dioxide and stressing your respiratory intake process is horrible for you.
It's also horrible to put your immune system into a state of extended hibernation and then go back out into mass exposure to countless potential infectants and ailments.
Some of these "experts" and supposed doctors towing these narratives are insidious evil fricks or partisan hacks saying whatever it takes to line their pockets.
I mean after you learn that the average age of mortality is 77, children appear virtually immune, death estimates went from 2.2 million to 140,000, and over 4% supposed mortality rate to 0.2% and dropping... how the hell do these idiots still take these "experts", "doctors", "media", and "politicians" seriously and continue believing every flip-flop and addendum to the narrative that comes out??
It's just mind-boggling.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:46 pm to djsdawg
quote:God you are continually the most ignorant clown on this forum. Well, besides Whiznut.
Holy shite at your hysteria. I sure hope none of them perform lengthy surgical procedures without wearing masks.
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