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BeefDawg
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djsdawg
Hey a-hole, a couple pages back you claimed I said masks don’t even help dispersions from coughs and sneezes. Something I never said.

In other words, you’re a goddamn liar and dishonest as the day is long.

You’re the clownish loon here that has no credibility and can’t be trusted.

Those numbers are pulled out of your ass, and everyone, including even your TDS doomer bunker buddies, knows this.

Again, there is absolutely zero risk to you to simply say the hospital. So if you weren’t lying, you’d be jumping to say it and have me call and get embarrassed by your vindication, and we all know it.

But like everything else, you’re lying, so you won’t dare do it.

Your continual projection is hilarious, too.
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djsdawg
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The surgical masks are useless because COVID goes right through them,


I am not pathetic enough to make up numbers, and you already know I am not dumb enough to prove they are real to a lunatic by telling you where I work.


tgdawg68
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4/22: 9
5/21: 5
6/1: 6
6/8: 7
6/15: 15
6/22: 33
6/29: 61
7/6: 101


There has been a 22% increase from peak hospitalizations on April 24 to now which is a cause for concern but NOT panic (these are young people who are recovering).

But in your case you have a 1022% increase over the same time. You should be in full panic mode and your hospital I'm sure is on the national news right?


BeefDawg
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The surgical masks are useless because COVID goes right through them,


I am not pathetic enough to make up numbers, and you already know I am not dumb enough to prove they are real to a lunatic by telling you where I work.
See, blatant dishonesty. This time it’s willfully omitting context to misrepresent what was really said.

That statement I made was about COVID molecules being so small they pass right through surgical mask’s large pours. Which every doctor on the planet has also confirmed is the case. I posted multiple videos of doctors and even Leftwing media saying precisely this, too. I even used their analogy of “like a chain-link fence trying to stop dust particles”.

While at the same time I also differentiated COVID aerosol molecules from COVID inside droplets, and said the only thing masks are good for is preventing droplets from being spread. Several times even explaining that if you’re close enough for a mask to stop droplets from hitting someone, that person is close enough to inhale COVID aerosols that weren’t in droplets and passed right through the mask.

This context was all over the discussion in multiple spots, so for you to twist this, you had to willfully omit it and purposely misrepresent what I said.

I mean people can easily go back a few pages and read the entire discussion and see it very clearly. So WTF were you thinking? That your lie by omission was the new reality? Are you really that stupid or just so delusional you think you can fabricate lies and they turn into truth because you think lying is a righteous tactic when you do it?


You proved you’re dishonest yet again. And so effortlessly and apparently without care. You’re either delusional, stupid, or insidious and evil, or all of the above. I’m going with all of the above.


Whiznot
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re: Football this fall???
People are infected by virus particles, not by a virus molecule. It generally takes a load of virus particles to produce an infection. All cloth masks are capable of blocking some virus particles. The more particles blocked the better the protection.


BeefDawg
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People are infected by virus particles, not by a virus molecule. It generally takes a load of virus particles to produce an infection. All cloth masks are capable of blocking some virus particles. The more particles blocked the better the protection.
ABC Good Morning America should hire you instead of that doctor, I guess.

You could quote them some shite from the AJC and The Atlantic to tell them your truth.


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meansonny
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I keep reading that masks dont do anything and even reading that masks can do more harm from posters.

I dont think people understand the covid at all.

The virus requires droplets to transfer. It is true that the virus is small enough to pass through a good mask. However, it is not true that the virus on droplets are small enough to pass through.

Think of droplets like a tiny car. The virus will not spread without transportation. Arguing about the size of the virus is pointless without recognizing that the virus requires a mode of transporting. An analogy might be HIV which requires transportation. The virus does not spread without a vehicle to move it from point A to point B. The size of the virus is pointless without recognizing the vehicle with which it moves.


BeefDawg
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However, it is not true that the virus on droplets are small enough to pass through.

Think of droplets like a tiny car. The virus will not spread without transportation. Arguing about the size of the virus is pointless without recognizing that the virus requires a mode of transporting. An analogy might be HIV which requires transportation. The virus does not spread without a vehicle to move it from point A to point B. The size of the virus is pointless without recognizing the vehicle with which it moves.
This is simply false.

For Christ Sake, here is fricking CNN saying even droplets travel through masks, too. Not just the aerosolized particles, but even droplets.

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How effective are different types of face masks? Which cloth masks work the best?

Health officials recommend wearing cloth face masks anytime you’re in public and might come in close contact with others. More than a dozen states now require cloth face coverings to be worn in places such as indoor businesses.

But different types have different levels of effectiveness, according to researchers at Florida Atlantic University.

They compared four types of face masks commonly used by the public: a stitched mask with two layers of fabric, a commercial cone mask, a folded handkerchief, and a bandana. Researchers tested each to see which would likely offer the most protection if someone coughed or sneezed.

— The stitched mask with two layers of fabric performed the best, with droplets traveling only 2.5 inches.

— With a cone-style mask, the droplets traveled about 8 inches.

— A folded handkerchief performed worse, with droplets traveling 1 foot, 3 inches.

— The bandana gave the least amount of protection of the cloth masks tested, with droplets traveling 3 feet.

— Still, any kind of cloth mask is better than none, the researchers found. Without any covering, droplets were able to travel 8 feet.

“People need to know that wearing masks can reduce transmission of the virus by as much as 50%, and those who refuse are putting their lives, their families, their friends, and their communities at risk,” said Dr. Christopher, director of the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.


If they admit even droplets are passing through masks, then the ridiculously small aerosolized COVID particles sure as shite are too. Even if they need to be encapsulated in micro-droplets for them to stay airborn, they are absolutely floating around capable of being inhaled and landing on surfaces.

As I've said, properly fitted N95's are the bare minimum for 98% successful reduction in transmission from a sick person. But anything less than this is fricking useless.

AND, it's retarded for a non-sick/non-symptomatic person to wear anything as these things are in fact causing people harm, too. You can't sit here and tell me breathing in your own carbon dioxide, reducing your oxygen intake, and stressing your respiratory function isn't bad for you. That's just stupid and false.
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meansonny
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There are varying levels of mask. The term "good" is a qualifier as such.

The easiest way to test the mask is to use an office aerosol dust cleaner (this will give you about 140 psi). Blow it into the mask and see if any air (air is smaller than droplets) goes through the mask. If it doesnt, then you have a good mask (a breath is estimated at 1 psi fwiw). The responsibility from there is to use the mask properly.
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meansonny
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Again. Covid doesnt transmit as aerosolized particles. This is per the CDC.

The term aerosolized gets bastardized. People using that term are referencing virus in the air as a "cloud-like" zone that is dangerous to the spread. The reality is that the virus is still on water droplets (think humidity). These are not naked covid particles floating around. The covid virus must have a vehicle to transport and protect it.
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meansonny
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AND, it's retarded for a non-sick/non-symptomatic person to wear anything as these things are in fact causing people harm, too. You can't sit here and tell me breathing in your own carbon dioxide, reducing your oxygen intake, and stressing your respiratory function isn't bad for you. That's just stupid and false.


CO2 in large quantities is bad for you.
If you are a nurse/doctor and working 10 hours without taking the mask off, you are going to have issues.

If you travel in your car without a mask and put it on at the grocery store or bank.... I promise you that your oxygen levels will be fine.

If you work at a job and are able to take a stretch or break every 90 minutes, I promise you that your oxygen levels will be fine.

Have a little bit of understanding of the human evolution and how resilient the body is, please.


BeefDawg
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Again. Covid doesnt transmit as aerosolized particles. This is per the CDC.

The term aerosolized gets bastardized. People using that term are referencing virus in the air as a "cloud-like" zone that is dangerous to the spread. The reality is that the virus is still on water droplets (think humidity). These are not naked covid particles floating around. The covid virus must have a vehicle to transport and protect it.
Dude, here again is Leftwing CNN, except this time with a video showing scientists testing coughs and sneezes under green-light.

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Check out the 2:10 mark. They put a N95 mask on the dummy and droplets still fly everywhere around the person, both through the mask and out every crack and crevice on all sides, sending visible particles like a cloud into the air around the person. That they even say stay in the air for upwards of 3 minutes floating around, AND that they absolutely do carry the virus.


So what now? Are you guys going to tell me CNN is some Rightwing propaganda machine and the video is doctored?
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SneakyWaff1es
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Covid doesnt transmit as aerosolized particles. This is per the CDC.

CDC link:
Aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 may be a more important exposure transmission pathway than previously considered

Disclaimer - I don't know how it was aerosolized for this study and I don't know if it can be aerosolized without a machine. I do know, and anyone that's ever sneezed in a mask should also know, a cloth mask doesn't stop much.


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BeefDawg
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If you work at a job and are able to take a stretch or break every 90 minutes, I promise you that your oxygen levels will be fine.

Have a little bit of understanding of the human evolution and how resilient the body is, please.
This sounds ridiculous.

Most people work 8-10 hour shifts with a couple 15 minute breaks and a lunch hour.

If you're breathing in your own CO2 and getting less oxygen for 7-8 hours a day, 5 days a week, at a bare minimum, and likely more time than this for when this person does typical routines like going to dinner/grocery/random errands... then this person is almost assuredly causing sympathomimetic overdrive by over-exerting their respiratory/vascular/renal functions. Which is what countless doctors say happens with extended wearing of a mask.

Not to mention the bacteria created from likely over-use of each mask, which can also get inhaled.

On top of causing under-exposure to germs that actually keep your immune system active and strengthened, as under-activity of the immune system actually causes a sort of immuno-atrophy that can make you more susceptible to possible infectants.



Again, I posted links and videos of Leftwing media saying these things, too. So acting like I'm stating biased drivel is bullshite, if that's what anyone wants to try and suggest.

Properly fitted N95 masks on sick/symptomatic people, healthcare workers, and elderly and vulnerable people is all that should be happening.

Healthy people wearing surgical masks and bandana masks is retarded. And you clowns out there trying to shame people for not wearing anything are a-holes with either insidious partisan agendas, or just ignorant fricks who need to stop allowing yourselves to be brainwashed and manipulated by fear-mongering hacks.
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meansonny
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Dude, here again is Leftwing CNN, except this time with a video showing scientists testing coughs and sneezes under green-light.


1) it is FAU engineers. Not CNN testing. I barely trust CNN to know what anyone tells them.
2) it is a simulation. That is not a cough. It is FAUs best attempt to simulate the body with a mixture of water and glycerin. The presumption is that the engineers have an appropriate psi. But have they replicated the density of the vapor? Is glycerin in the proper proportion to simulate the density to a person's exhaust? I can grant that they have done their best and their best should be adequate. But it is not a cough. It is a simulation with a lot of assumptions.

3) yes. A cough with a mask will disperse out of the sides of the mask. People aren't gluing a seal of a mask to prevent any air from escaping around the mask. The protection of the mask is for normal breathing. A good mask will not permeate air through the material.

4) I promise you that 140 psi of air is a better test than the FAU engineers. I've seen a study done with photography for light capture through a mask (light particles are smaller than air particles are smaller than water droplets). But not everyone can do a light study. Blowing a keyboard duster is an acceptable way to test a masks weakness to air particles passing through.

5) let's call the mask in the study "not a good mask". Particles passed through on a sneeze. Does the mask protect the wearer from water particles vaporized in the air from someone else? Does the mask protect permeation from the wearer to those around for breaths? The very study itself seemed to indicate that there are variables controlled by the mask.

Like everything, there are levels of risk. Creating any barrier to droplets reduces risk. The only 100% surefire way to avoid risk is abstinence. Everyone can weigh the risks and precautions and make a decision for themselves.

My post was about the notion that a precaution such as a mask offers no help and may even be detrimental to health. I haven't seen anything to change my mind that such a notion is wrong.
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meansonny
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Most people work 8-10 hour shifts with a couple 15 minute breaks and a lunch hour.



I'm pretty sure most people can take a restroom break when needed. If you want to argue that the majority of workers cant use the restroom when needed, go ahead. I can agree to disagree.

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Not to mention the bacteria created from likely over-use of each mask, which can also get inhaled.



Wearing mask for 8 hours creates a risk for bacteria. But I promise you that 99% of individuals would be fine with a mask 8 hours a day so long as they can take a break and clean or change out the mask between days. People live on machines that dont get cleaned within a 24 hour period. People sleep with machines 6 to 10 hours at a time. The human body can get through a workday on 1 mask.

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On top of causing under-exposure to germs that actually keep your immune system active and strengthened, as under-activity of the immune system actually causes your to sort of atrophy and make you more susceptible to possible infectants.


This argument comes often from antimaskers. Which is it? Are germs bad or good? It is a desperate attempt to distract with a red herring. You dont even know what this means. And it precludes the understanding that a mask for 8 hours means no mask for 16 hours. It is a dumb argument for a dumb arguments sake.

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Healthy people wearing surgical masks and bandana masks is retarded.

Agree to disagree. South korea seems to do much better than us avoiding spread. Other countries that mask do as well.

And I dont have a problem with agreeing to disagree.

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And you clowns out there trying to shame people for not wearing anything are a-holes with either insidious partisan agendas, or just ignorant fricks who need to stop allowing yourselves to be brainwashed and manipulated by fear-mongering hacks.

If I have shamed you, then you have bigger problems than a discussion on a message board.
I'm a libertarian. I'm not going to force you to do anything. And I'm not going to wish the government does either.

Let's see if we can find common ground.
Can a mask on a healthy person reduce the risk of catching covid 19?

Just reply yes or no.

Can a mask on an asymptomatic person reduce the risk of spreading covid 19?

Just a yes or no is fine.


BeefDawg
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meansonny
LOL, WTF is this? Some guy on his laptop discrediting a video of a controlled scientific experiment?

Seriously, that's your counter-argument? You "assuring us" about your contradictions?

And then going from some nonsense about droplets can't pass through masks with a silly vehicle analogy, to now a tip-toeing around it with "levels of risk"??


Oh, AND, I posted multiple videos of several different independent doctors, one was Brit in an interview with the BBC, and another on Leftwing as hell Good Morning America, who all admit that extended use of masks is bad for your immune system and respiratory system. And all of them said only certain masks should be used (N95 or better), and ONLY on sick and vulnerable people and healthcare workers... and healthy people should not be wearing them.

If you refuse to watch the videos, and instead want to listen to Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow shame you for not wearing one, because obviously if you don't wear one you must be an evil Trump supporter, then I can't help ya, and good luck sucking at life.


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you already know I am not dumb



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djsdawg



Right, you're a regular Pythagoras.


meansonny
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If you need me to show you a video done by a PhD using light and an expensive camera to show that no light particles can pass through a good mask, then you have too much time on your hands. The video was 3 hours long and posted about 2 months ago. It is the Darkhorse Podcast. Good luck.

If you need me to show you how you can home test a mask with a keyboard duster (this was done by a Mexican speaking home contractor but replicated at home by myself) then you have too much time on your hands unless you want to test all of your home masks yourself.

All of the "masks are bad" arguments presume
1) that you will live in the mask 24 hours a day and never expose yourself to another germ.
2) that you will live in the mask 24 hours a day and bacteria for that duration is bad for you.
3) that masks are not perfect as if that is some great acknowledgement. They dont seal on the outside. Because they aren't perfect, they do not help ever?

The reality is
1) most mask wearers rarely wear the mask. There is no fear of too much co2. There is no fear of bacteria growth in a day. Think Home Depot. Think grocery store. Think talking to a neighbor for 3 minutes a week.

2)an employee wearing a mask should take breaks. 8 hours is a long time with a mask. Be smart. I dont know an employer who suggests that their employees risk personal harm due to a production schedule. You might. But I dont.

I gave your cnn video merit (even if i correct your usage of words and semantics). If you didnt see the merit in my comments, reread if it is that important to you.
But every scientist will tell you to ask good questions. And I did an effort to ask good questions about the video. If questions hurts your internet cred, I cant help you. Do you have a problem with my questions? Which ones?

I'm sorry if the only video I watched was your cnn video. I haven't been very active on this thread. If you want to address my questions/comments, then I'm happy to do so. Your "hurt feelings" almost seems like an effort to avoid any points I bring up.


wizatlanta
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Jesus Christ, you people sound like Georgia Tech propeller heads. I only asked if you thought we'd be playing football this fall not if a molecule was smaller than a gnat's ass. Get back on topic...


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