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re: Falcons: Neal it is, what you think?

Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:28 pm to
Kam Chancellor he is not.

6'3" - 230+ v. 6'0" 210ish

Strong Safety position has nowhere near the value that it has had in the past due to limitations around defenseless receivers, targeting, etc. The traditional "thumper" just isn't the same. While he can still lay waste to receivers coming over the middle, he likely won't be able to stand up to repeated pounding as he has to come in to provide run support against some of the bigger backs in the league. Realistically, we're probably 3-5 seasons (at most) before we're looking at lingering injury risks for the kid... at that point, isn't Myles Jack a better option, given the severe need that we have at the position and the relative availability of safety prospects that will be around in the 2nd/3rd round?

Again, it's not like they grabbed a 5th rounder in round 1, but Neal realistically *could* have been available in round 2 or early 3rd (likely wouldn't have made it to us there). And even were he not available, there are other high quality safety candidates out there at better value than 17th overall.

I feel like Kirby's take on safeties, looking for coverage skills first, and then how well they fit from a stylistic/body type perspective is really what has been happening in the NFL as well with the top tier teams. It's not worth having a guy on the field who is a liability in coverage when you may be covering 4 WRs, 3 WRs & a TE, or a RB flexing out of the backfield.

Hopefully Neal works out, but I do not share the same faith that he's going to be a good value where we picked him up. And given the fact that we only had 5 picks to work with, getting 2nd round value out of your 1st round pick is a mistake no matter how you slice it unless they're right and every other team is wrong. Out of 31 other teams, the only one that might have considered Neal in the 1st is the Jets based on all the mocks I've seen and considering needs. I just don't see why there was a race to grab a lower tier prospect.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:02 pm to
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Hope you guys are right on this. Still not sure he can cover Greg Olson though or any other TE with a pulse.
Yeah I just don't see how a 6'0 guy in K Neal is supposed to effectively cover TE's in the league, where most of them probably avg around 6'5. We kept hearing how we need a LB to cover the TE's but I just don't see how Neal can pull it off. It is even a bigger mismatch with his lack of height. At least he has a good vertical and some length.
Posted by DennisDawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:15 pm to
I see a lot of sour pussies in this thread. Im not sure if y'all know or not, but we desperately needed a saftey. As much if not more than a lb. We had Allen, Ishmael and Therezie at saftey. Just let go out best one in Willy Mo. We picked up some LB in free agency. We needed a saftey, one that fits CDQ's system. Now we've got one. Still plenty of guys on the board for lb and dl that will make and immediate impact.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:00 pm to
Dan Quinn has had two outstanding defenses at Seattle and two at Florida. If he only had half the ability to evaluate talent as the Georgia board I the SEC rant...imagine what he could accomplish.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:00 pm to
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I see a lot of sour pussies in this thread. Im not sure if y'all know or not, but we desperately needed a saftey. As much if not more than a lb. We had Allen, Ishmael and Therezie at saftey. Just let go out best one in Willy Mo. We picked up some LB in free agency. We needed a saftey, one that fits CDQ's system. Now we've got one. Still plenty of guys on the board for lb and dl that will make and immediate impact


Falcons gave up 1773 receiving yards to TEs and RBs last year and lost multiple games because of this. Neal can't cover. If they were going safety, Vonn Bell would have been the better choice.
Posted by DennisDawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:35 pm to
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Falcons gave up 1773 receiving yards to TEs and RBs last year and lost multiple games because of this. Neal can't cover. If they were going safety, Vonn Bell would have been the better choice.



He inherited this team, he is working on getting guys that fit his scheme. I'm not sure why this is hard for yall to comprehend?? I also like that you feel that you know who would've been a better pick for his defense, more so than him. You cant make this shite up.
Posted by dawg4lyfe
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:37 pm to
Pleaseeeee pick jordan jenkins
Posted by RD Dawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:39 pm to
A reach at best.Could have traded down and still got him later in the 1st.He better make an immediate impact.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:55 pm to
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I see a lot of sour pussies in this thread.
How so? I just asked how is he supposed to be our answer at covering TEs? I'm not dissing on the pick, I just see his size as a mismatch, but as I said I hope his vertical and length can negate some of that. The more film I see of him, the more I like it.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:01 pm to
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He inherited this team, he is working on getting guys that fit his scheme. I'm not sure why this is hard for yall to comprehend?? I also like that you feel that you know who would've been a better pick for his defense, more so than him. You cant make this shite up.


Because no front office has EVER picked a first round bust, right? I think Bell is a better football player. He's much better in coverage than Neal. Neal is probably better in the box, but stopping the run wasn't an issue for the Falcons last season. The Falcons needed someone who can cover a TE more than a safety who can hit hard. But I guess I know nothing about football since I didn't like the pick.

Neal may have been there at 50 tonight, where the Falcons originally were scheduled to pick.
Posted by DennisDawg
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:34 pm to
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But I guess I know nothing about football since I didn't like the pick.


You must be a woman with the way you exaggerate,
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Neal is probably better in the box


Yea.... either a chick or a butt hurt bitch who gets all sassy when someone disagrees with him.
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:45 pm to
So much for that " we are aware of local talent" stuff....


Pass on JJ for a guy with 5 career sacks. Hopefully he can cover because he can't rush the QB.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:05 pm to
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Falcons gave up 1773 receiving yards to TEs and RBs last year and lost multiple games because of this. Neal can't cover. If they were going safety, Vonn Bell would have been the better choice.


Vonn Bell in the second round would have made a better choice if we were wanting someone to cover.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:10 pm to
Hate both our picks. Not gonna pretend i'm in the know however. Hope i'm wrong.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:30 pm to
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Yea.... either a chick or a butt hurt bitch who gets all sassy when someone disagrees with him.




Ok internet tough guy, you win. Neal is a 10 time pro bowler.
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:50 pm to
And now some unknown TE from Tex Tech....

STILL DO NOT HAVE A DRAFTEE WHO CAN RUSH THE DAMN QB.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:54 pm to
Austin Hooper from Stanford, actually. Decent player, about what you'd expect from a third round TE. He's similar to Ertz and Fleener, the last two TEs to come from Stanford.
Posted by LedDawgK
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:55 pm to
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TE from Tex Tech....



Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:58 pm to
Whoops formatting on that draft thing I'd been keeping up with threw me off.

No wonder I had never heard of a TE named La'Raven Clark from TT.

Not a big Pac 12 after dark viewer so I don't know much about him. All I know is we may not sack a QB this year.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:06 pm to
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Hate both our picks. Not gonna pretend i'm in the know however. Hope i'm wrong.



Yeah, I'm not a fan of our first two picks.
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