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re: Do we think Fromm is coming back?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:26 pm to Buzz Killington
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:26 pm to Buzz Killington
Fromm and LeCounte need to return and lead this team to another CFP
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:33 pm to djsdawg
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When he is open downfield, Fromm is consistently short to him. Can’t blame that on dbs.
Disagree.
Fromm doesn't discriminate. He overthrows as much as he under throws. :)
It is why more air under the ball was a good thing on that pass.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:36 pm to meansonny
Most of his missed deep passes to Robertson are under thrown. Happened again last night. Get that fixed and we can win big.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:38 pm to djsdawg
His pass to Pickens was slightly underthrown.
Still, DRob has to catch that ball. It was underthrown, but it still hit him in the gut. He simply dropped it.
Still, DRob has to catch that ball. It was underthrown, but it still hit him in the gut. He simply dropped it.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:44 pm to HTDawg
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Still, DRob has to catch that ball. It was underthrown, but it still hit him in the gut. He simply dropped it.
Actually hit the palms of both hands. He just didn’t squeeze the ball. He made a basket and it bounced off.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:44 pm to HTDawg
No doubt he should have caught it, but Fromm has to throw it further than that.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:48 pm to djsdawg
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Most of his missed deep passes to Robertson are under thrown.
I dont know what your edit was.
But this is fair.
I dont like absolutes. Fromm has overthrown Robertson like everyone else.
youtube tough moments for UGA passing game
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:00 pm to meansonny
Funny how trolls give Fields two TDs for drops on not perfect passes, but blame Fromm when the ball bounces off a dudes hands and body in the end zone. This is how we know they are trolls.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:15 pm to Peter Buck
Leave it to peter to make up a bunch of crap. That’s a classic troll move.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:15 pm to djsdawg
I don't get to claim the "In the Arena" privilege, but my line of thinking is that if the ball hits the WR in the hands, then it's the WR's job to make the catch. (Especially with both feet on the ground).
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:32 pm to Peter Buck
Fields overthrew his swing pass to Dobbins against Clemson. It hit Dobbins in the hands, but he couldn't haul it in. A good throw probably would've resulted in a touchdown.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:44 pm to meansonny
I don't have the stats on this one by any means but anecdotally from my recollection it seems like his overthrows have frequently rifled in with very little air/arc to them. I wonder if this is a habit due to feeling like not having enough arm to get it where he wants?
By no means am I a Fromm hater, but I will definitely say that his accuracy has left a lot to be desired, even on completions. At least this year (but I seem to recall it happening last year too?) he frequently tackles the receiver with the catch, where a better on-target throw would have led to more yards if not a TD.
If he returns, that's probably the area I most want to see improvement on from him specifically... learn your receivers, figure out how fast they actually are, and put the ball where they need it. I understand that sometimes you can't throw it in the perfect place because of defenders or field positioning, etc... but in the absence of those things, really hoping for that to not be a recurring issue.
By no means am I a Fromm hater, but I will definitely say that his accuracy has left a lot to be desired, even on completions. At least this year (but I seem to recall it happening last year too?) he frequently tackles the receiver with the catch, where a better on-target throw would have led to more yards if not a TD.
If he returns, that's probably the area I most want to see improvement on from him specifically... learn your receivers, figure out how fast they actually are, and put the ball where they need it. I understand that sometimes you can't throw it in the perfect place because of defenders or field positioning, etc... but in the absence of those things, really hoping for that to not be a recurring issue.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:51 pm to fibonaccisquared
quote:Coley pointed out after the LSU game that our receivers have been missing their routes. Fromm is a timing QB: he knows where to place the ball and when to throw it based on how the routes are supposed to be run. If the WR cuts out too early or too late, the ball will be off the mark. Cager was effective for Fromm because he was a consistent route runner and the timing was there.
If he returns, that's probably the area I most want to see improvement on from him specifically... learn your receivers, figure out how fast they actually are, and put the ball where they need it. I understand that sometimes you can't throw it in the perfect place because of defenders or field positioning, etc... but in the absence of those things, really hoping for that to not be a recurring issue.
Fromm still has room for improvement, but if our WRs do their part, Fromm's problems don't seem like such big problems this season.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:52 pm to fibonaccisquared
I agree. The nfl comparison for Fromm traditionally is Andy Dalton.
Why? Because AJ Green brings it down if it can hit a target the size of a garage door.
The best thing that I can hope is that we play to Fromms strengths. Get him receivers who hold anything in that large radius and let's continue to play within that framework for Fromm. Use pick plays across the middle but dont call a ton of timing routes across the middle as that is not his strength.
Why? Because AJ Green brings it down if it can hit a target the size of a garage door.
The best thing that I can hope is that we play to Fromms strengths. Get him receivers who hold anything in that large radius and let's continue to play within that framework for Fromm. Use pick plays across the middle but dont call a ton of timing routes across the middle as that is not his strength.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 2:55 pm to FooManChoo
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Cager was effective for Fromm because he was a consistent route runner and the timing was there.
Cager ran great routes. But they weren't what usually are referred to as timing routes. He wasnt running a bunch of crosses or flags.
He'd run curls, digs, backshoulders,and the occasional go route.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:04 pm to meansonny
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Get him receivers who hold anything in that large radius and let's continue to play within that framework for Fromm.
This. Why everyone doesn't look for prototypical BIG XII WRs is beyond me.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:06 pm to meansonny
quote:It wasn't his route running alone that made him effective. He fought for the ball and made good catches on those fades and go's. The hitches, outs, and digs are more what I was referencing for timing. A WR that doesn't run those well will make the QB look very inaccurate, like that INT that South Carolina had where the receiver actually turned the wrong way.
Cager ran great routes. But they weren't what usually are referred to as timing routes. He wasnt running a bunch of crosses or flags. He'd run curls, digs, backshoulders,and the occasional go route.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:18 pm to grey
The problem is Dobbins made the catch. He had control when he crossed the goal line, but didn't tuck it away. Still should have been caught.
The DRob pass absolutely should have been caught. It hit him in the stomach.
The DRob pass absolutely should have been caught. It hit him in the stomach.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:22 pm to meansonny
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Why? Because AJ Green brings it down if it can hit a target the size of a garage door.
Bingo. It's not surprising that Fromm's WR that he's favored are Wims and Cager, both basketball type "big catch radius" guys who will out physical a DB for the ball and make good adjustments on a throw. You work with what you've got. Fromm has a ton of strengths, need to try and ensure that you've got at least 1-2 of those guys on the roster if that's what your QB is good at and go to town.
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Use pick plays across the middle but dont call a ton of timing routes across the middle as that is not his strength.
Indeed. One other question I have about Fromm is just more curiosity about his height... any chance that at "6'2" - according to the Media Guide" that he has any trouble with the middle of the field due to vision behind our massive OL? Probably a nothing burger, but were I an NFL scout, I'd probably want to see more work in that area if he did come back.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:31 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Indeed. One other question I have about Fromm is just more curiosity about his height... any chance that at "6'2" - according to the Media Guide" that he has any trouble with the middle of the field due to vision behind our massive OL? Probably a nothing burger, but were I an NFL scout, I'd probably want to see more work in that area if he did come back.
I've thought about that.
He cant complain that the sun got in his eyes when ben cleveland is blocking the sun.
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