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re: Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:14 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:14 pm to djsdawg
quote:Possibly, but you have to remember that Hurts led the team to the national championship game, not Tua. Hurts was the safe bet until there was no safe bet any longer. Saban gambled by putting in a true freshman and he won big, but it could have easily gone the other way. If we didn't get screwed on that off-sides penalty, didn't have that freakish INT where the ball bounced off of our O-lineman's head, or if we didn't blow coverage in overtime, we probably would've won and Tua would have been a footnote instead of a legend. But those things happened and Saban now looks like a genius for making the switch.
Saban should have cost Bama a shot at a national title by making that mistake. Tua was always bama’s best bet and saban was finally proven wrong in our game.
That isn't how things normally work out.
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:14 pm to djsdawg
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Games we were in control of in the 3rd q.
You do know that if the ball drop by Holloman had been reversed, it would have been a 14 point swing, right? That is all it would take for a game to get away from us. Hard to say we were in control when that could have had the game tied going into OT, and could have ended our playoff hopes.
quote:Since the risk is losing a chance to make the playoffs, I think a solid argument could be made against your assertion.
The risk of playing him is outweighed by the benefit of playing him.
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This kind of Risk aversive attitude you display is what kept us with richt for so long.
You mean, the same one that Kirby Smart apparently has, too? When Smart says he is ready, then I will be ready, too. Maybe you should tell Kirby he has a loser mentality. Let me know how that goes for you.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:19 pm to djsdawg
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No one said experience isn’t beneficial. Fields would be better off with it, just as Fromm has been. Can’t gain experience on a bench or if handing off all day.
I honestly don't know....but I would bet of the top 10 QBs in last years class, fewer than 50% are starting for their teams.
However, I get you guys are only expressing your opinions, but if you feel strongly about it, maybe you should tell Kirby Smart what you think.
Answer honestly......if you were to tell Kirby Smart he should be starting Justin Fields what do you honestly believe he would say and why?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Hurts was the safe bet until there was no safe bet any longer.
He was the safe bet but never the correct bet. Hurts always limited that offense. Bama became better the instant tua came in.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:38 pm to DawgsLife
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know that if the ball drop by Holloman had been reversed, it would have been a 14 point swing, right?
Yea but it Didn’t happen. Our td counted.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:40 pm to DawgsLife
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risk is losing a chance to make the playoffs, I think a solid argument could be made against your assertion.
The benefit is gaining a better chance to make the playoff.
Chances are fields would be making our offense more dangerous rather than a major downgrade.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:42 pm to DawgsLife
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Smart says he is ready, then I will be ready, too.
He made such implications after the mtsu game.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:44 pm to SquatchDawg
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This is what you’re up against. There are a number of people so invested in Fields that they have convinced themself he is better as a freshman right now than Fromm is despite our success last year.
That’s not what’s going on here. People are thinking long term, and Fields PT now is critical to that long term goal.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:59 pm to FooManChoo
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No it isn't. I
I think it’s safe to assume the backup true freshman would remain successful.
It’s not a guarantee, but He would likely be another example of a freshmen who can ball out from game 1 with a strong supporting cast. Just like Fromm did, fields came in ready. Accurate arm, high fb iq. Eason didn’t come in like that, nor he have the strong supporting cast.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 6:05 pm to FooManChoo
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Except Mizzou scored on their next possession to make it 33-22.
No, we forced a punt on their next possession.
Those final drives vs sc were totally wasted from a passing game standpoint, for both of them.
People seem to be afraid of fields playing in a close game. The bigger the lead, the safer it is.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 6:08 pm to djsdawg
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Fields PT now is critical to that long term goal
Yes. Because there have never been successful QBs who have redshirted Freshmen year...
Posted on 9/25/18 at 6:33 pm to djsdawg
quote:Hindsight is always 20/20 but for every awesome backup QB there are probably 100 others that were touted as the next big thing that didn't pan out. I remember when everyone was clamoring to see Jacob Park be the next dude to light everyone up and he was a complete dud.
He was the safe bet but never the correct bet. Hurts always limited that offense. Bama became better the instant tua came in.
The backup quarterback is usually the most popular guy on the team for a reason: he's that scratch off ticket that is full of possibility. Tua just happened to be the jackpot for Alabama, but now everyone looks at him and thinks their guy is just as good if only given the same opportunity.
That said, it doesn't mean Hurts was the wrong bet and Tua was the right one and therefore Saban was wrong for using Hurts all season instead of Tua. No, Tua just had himself a good half of football and cemented himself as the guy to beat. If a few plays went the other way that night, Tua wouldn't be the legend he is today.
Fields, again, may be the greatest player ever, but it is not smart to gamble on him if we don't have to just because he might be awesome. The stakes are too high.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:05 pm to DawgsLife
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The coaches admitted they only gave Fromm a limited playbook last season
I don't believe that Kirby ever said that Fromm's playbook was limited. I heard that from commentators who assumed a freshman couldn't handle a full load. It was always baloney.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:41 pm to djsdawg
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know that if the ball drop by Holloman had been reversed, it would have been a 14 point swing, right?
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Yea but it Didn’t happen. Our td counted.
True. But the point is we were that close to going to OT in a game you counted as an easy win. In fact, it was not.
It didn't happen....but you guys are talking like Fields is the real deal and is a proven talent. If you can stretch.....so can I. Mine is closer to reality than yours. (Not you necessarily. I am getting a vibe from you that you just want him to get a few more snaps to extend his experience. Some of the other guys? I am getting the vibe that they want more of a 50/50 split, or even Fields taking over.)
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:44 pm to djsdawg
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Smart says he is ready, then I will be ready, too.
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He made such implications after the mtsu game.
With coaches you pay less attention to what they say, and more attention to what they do. If he truly felt that way, then he would have Fields out there.
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:46 pm to Whiznot
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I don't believe that Kirby ever said that Fromm's playbook was limited. I heard that from commentators who assumed a freshman couldn't handle a full load. It was always baloney.
Again you are making assumptions. I'm curious. What are you basing it on?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 8:50 pm to djsdawg
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risk is losing a chance to make the playoffs, I think a solid argument could be made against your assertion.
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The benefit is gaining a better chance to make the playoff.
And the risk is losing it altogether. That can't be ignored. If we go undefeated (Nearly impossible in todays game, admittedly) we would still have a great shot with a close loss to Bama in the SECCG. If we lose to a lesser team in the regular season, people begin to look at us like they did OSU when they lost to Iowa last year.
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:00 pm to DawgsLife
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the risk is losing it altogether. That can't be ignored. If we go undefeated (Nearly impossible in todays game, admittedly) we would still have a great shot with a close loss to Bama in the SECCG. If we lose to a lesser team in the regular season, people begin to look at us like they did OSU when they lost to Iowa last year.
Having 2 strong options at qb is better than limiting yourself to 1. It lowers the risk of a loss, and increases the chances of beating Bama.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:04 pm to DawgsLife
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With coaches you pay less attention to what they say, and more attention to what they do. If he truly felt that way, then he would have Fields out there.
So trust them but not if they say something? He wasn’t lying about it as fields played and excelled in that game.
I think the Fromm slow starts are making smart less likely to put fields in. He wants to avoid that controversy for as long as he can
Posted on 9/25/18 at 9:06 pm to DawgsLife
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but you guys are talking like Fields is the real deal and is a proven talent.
We haven’t seen anything to the contrary.
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