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Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:53 pm to MacDawg
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:53 pm to MacDawg
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That was helpful. I am sure this type of intelligent, thought provoking response will move people to change their positions on the the vaccines.
Meh... I think it's fairly implicit at this point that hardly anyone on these boards is changing their minds on Covid/vaccination/etc unless they are directly impacted with it... If someone loses a kid, a loved one, a best friend, etc... that really seems to be the primary driver for people who are on the hard "no" side of the fence to change their opinion. If they were on the fence, different story.
I'll call extremely unlikely bullshite on 4 months of negative side effects described being attributed to the vaccine for 2 people in a single household (especially husband/wife vs kids who at least share common DNA), given the high number of vaccinations and the very low number of confirmed negative reactions... but to each their own. If it allows people to remain "fistshaking at the libs" while still doing the most socially beneficial thing, so be it. Thanks for attempting to be part of the solution.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:05 pm to MacDawg
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That was helpful. I am sure this type of intelligent, thought provoking response will move people to change their positions on the the vaccines.
Do you think I give a shite if someone chooses to get the vaccine? There's no convincing these people so why try?
He's seriously delusional and paranoid if the things he typed are things he truly believes. He should get help instead of living life angry, afraid, and looking around every corner for a new conspiracy to believe.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:12 pm to mmmmmbeeer
calm down fella. you dont care so much that you are still posting in this thread.
you sure showed him how little you care
you sure showed him how little you care
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:35 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:lol yeah.. "missed"
"I've found some information all the world's top scientists and doctors missed"
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:59 pm to FooManChoo
Not a good thing, graph shows.
The blue line below is 0-17 years old. Since the beginning of the virus, this group has been the lowest group getting confirmed infections.
Just recently this group overtook the 60+ demo and is about to overtake the 18-29 group.
In fact, no other age group has reached previous peaks, yet, except the 0-17 group.
The blue line below is 0-17 years old. Since the beginning of the virus, this group has been the lowest group getting confirmed infections.
Just recently this group overtook the 60+ demo and is about to overtake the 18-29 group.
In fact, no other age group has reached previous peaks, yet, except the 0-17 group.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:01 pm to deeprig9
here's one breaking it down within the 0-17 age group.
This is all GA by the way, not nationwide.
This is all GA by the way, not nationwide.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:03 am to deeprig9
Michael Lewis' pandemic reporting in The Premonition is a good read. Lewis tears the CDC to shreds.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 8:13 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:35 am to BeefDawg
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And we both had horrendous side effects
I’m sorry to hear that. I’ll take you at your word that both of you did, but serious negative reactions to the vaccine are extraordinarily rare. Studies from the pharmaceutical trials confirm this, but I know you don’t trust big pharmaceutical companies. But anecdotal evidence also corroborates this, and several other people on this board have shared something similar to what I’m about to share - that everyone in my extended family, my wife’s extended family, and my workplace has been vaccinated, and nobody has had any serious, negative longterm effects. Throw in a few friends and most of the neighbors on my street, and that’s at least 150 people. Just because you’ve received the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t still be an anti-vaxxer by fearmongering and spreading disinformation. You yourself admitted you only got it as a condition of your employment.
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Go do some goddamn research, idiot. Again, the mere fact you didn’t even know Fauci had to admit he funded GoF and that Senators grilled him on his emails just proves you’re a low-information retard and I’m wasting my time. Eat frickin shite, a-hole
If your point is that the federal government funded and contributed to gain-of-function research, I never once said I disagreed with that fact. But you said, “the NIH helped manufacture this thing.” That’s an absurd and dishonest argument. That’s like blaming Ernest Rutherford and Albert Einstein for Soviet nuclear aggression in the 1950’s or like blaming Rudolph Diesel for tank warfare. Research into gain-of-function mutations has suggested the potential to neutralize cancers and other diseases (a center of GoF research is Emory, by the way). Just because the Chinese hijacked that technology and used it for evil doesn’t mean the U.S. Government and private American research is culpable for COVID.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:27 am to baconwaffle
After taking my second Moderna jab I had three days of misery.
I took the shot at 9AM. By 9PM I felt like I was being beaten in the hips and legs with a baseball bat. That pain lasted for 8 hours. I couldn't get out of bed for 36 hours.
I regret nothing. I would take a booster shot if needed but I wouldn't want to be first in line.
I took the shot at 9AM. By 9PM I felt like I was being beaten in the hips and legs with a baseball bat. That pain lasted for 8 hours. I couldn't get out of bed for 36 hours.
I regret nothing. I would take a booster shot if needed but I wouldn't want to be first in line.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:32 am to baconwaffle
Define extraordinarily rare? VAERS releases the data. Here is a site that tracks that data. By the way, VAERS only tracks incidents that were reported into the system. Some estimate actual number is significantly higher due to events not submitted to VAERS.
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:15 pm to baconwaffle
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serious, negative longterm effects
what do you consider long term, because it hasn't been out long enough to say this
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:23 pm to DawgCountry
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:54 pm to baconwaffle
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everyone in my extended family, my wife’s extended family, and my workplace has been vaccinated, and nobody has had any serious, negative longterm effects
Everyone in my family got the virus, and now has natural immunity, without in a serious or long-term side effects. Do I need a vaccine?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:33 pm to MacDawg
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Define extraordinarily rare? VAERS releases the data. Here is a site that tracks that data. By the way, VAERS only tracks incidents that were reported into the system. Some estimate actual number is significantly higher due to events not submitted to VAERS.
The public generally does not understand what VAERS actually is...
From their about page:
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VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
Just because data is in VAERS:
1) does not mean it's accurate
2) does not actually attribute that event to the vaccine
The goal is for actual experts to look at that data to identify trends that are alarming... VAERS has a lot of value, and in fact has been used to identify some minor issues like increased cases of myocarditis, but for you or me it is not functionally useful... If you're reading the VAERS events and saying "look at all these negative reactions", it's ignoring the absence of identified causality and attributing correlation instead.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:41 pm to lambertdawg
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Everyone in my family got the virus, and now has natural immunity, without in a serious or long-term side effects. Do I need a vaccine?
This particular virus has shown high variability in length of antibody presence. Anecdotally, I have some friends who had it and still test very high on antibody numbers well after the infection passed. I have others who within a few months showed zero or near zero numbers...
Ultimately, you do what you're comfortable with, but the delta variant =/= prior versions and has shown that previously infected individuals are capable of contracting it, so I would be careful with making the assumption that you have immunity. Even vaccinated individuals are showing they can still contract this variant, though the breakthrough infections are showing significantly lessened symptoms and far fewer hospitalizations. We're all adapting on the fly here... you're either part of one of the test group or part of the control group.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:14 pm to fibonaccisquared
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VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.
Funny you didnt quote the next paragraph...
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VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.
"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.
I really dont care what you believe or do not believe. You do you. But I would call healthy people dying shortly after the injection a negative reaction. And as to causality, very few autopsies have been done? Why?
And the ones that have been done have shown significant inflamation in the heart, liver and other vital organs due to the spike protein causing an inflammatory response after getting into the blood stream.
Who knows how many have been harmed by the vaccine. Could be a lot more than we know. Could be less. But, as I have stated from the beginning, all information needs to be shared, good and bad. And concerns shouldn't be demonized, delegitimized or downplayed. I really dont see how that helps anything. And the personal decisions people make should be respected and free from harm (employment, etc).
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:16 pm to lambertdawg
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Everyone in my family got the virus, and now has natural immunity, without in a serious or long-term side effects. Do I need a vaccine?
Seriously dude? Don't ask that question here. No one here is qualified to answer that question for YOU. TalK to your doctor.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:29 pm to MacDawg
My point is no consideration is being given to those with natural immunity. You know, follow the science?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:44 pm to lambertdawg
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My point is no consideration is being given to those with natural immunity.
THIS
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:02 pm to lambertdawg
That I agree with. I thought you were actually asking people here for advice. Lol.
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