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Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:52 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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Sure, crime is higher in these communities, but why? I think that if you give it an honest look, you'll begin to see a cycle: wash, rinse, repeat. But if it's not genetic, it's external...there is an unmoved mover that began the cycle.
And yet some people manage to rise upon circumstances...whether they are white, black, yellow or whatever color.
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The cops are there because of crime...what crime? What does it all stem from? How can these communities break the cycle? How can these communities come to respect the officers which police them? To trust them?
Another question we could ask is, why are the cops afraid? Why did cops hesitate to go into Techwood homes? how could that cycle be broken? There are a lot of cycles that should be and could be broken. But to focus on one group solely is misguided and naive. Changes need to be made all around by all people.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:59 pm to Whiznot
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North Charleston cop charged with murder after firing eight shots at unarmed fleeing man and planting a taser next to the dead body.
fricking business as usual for America's gestapo.
No doubt there are some bad officers. No argument. But...out of curiosity, since you are painting with a broad brush...if you find 1,000 bad black men, does that mean all black men are bad? business as usual? How about white people? All white people must be bad because the officers in question are white, right? Women? All women are hookers because.....well....look at all the hookers that are women. Therefore they all must be.

Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:01 pm to DawgsLife
The hooker/woman analogy works against you.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:21 pm to deeprig9
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The hooker/woman analogy works against you.
I admit it. I am slow. Why? Most hookers are women...therefore by his reasoning all women must be hookers. He was disparaging police officers by saying they were gestapo and saying business as usual in America. I just don't like it when people lump all of one group of people together.....smacks of racism and stereotyping.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 4:11 pm to DawgsLife
I'm sorry for slandering the gestapo by comparing that organization to America's intrepid murderous anti-drug warriors.
Never forget David Hooks.
Never forget David Hooks.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:04 pm to Whiznot
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Whiznot
Cops are Heros and they protect us.
Peter Buck why are you taking the word of someone who was clearly shown to be lying? Clear video showed that the dead man didn't have a weapon until the cop dropped it at his side.
I am just asking a question. Do you agree or not?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:08 am to Peter Buck
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I am just asking a question. Do you agree or not?
He won't answer. Goes against his POS way of thinking. Wouldn't be able to bitch and moan if he agreed with you.
This guy is going to be charged with murder and convicted.
Wish the media would show the video of a Ferguson protester going through circumstantial police situations. That guy had no clue whether to shoot or not. Opened his eyes.
Eta: here is the video. One of the leaders of the move against police goes through 3 situations.....he dies in one, kills an unarmed man in another.....opens his eyes to the reality of being a cop and how people just need to comply with officers (imagine that)
LINK
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 6:18 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:37 pm to IT_Dawg
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how people just need to comply with officers
No - people only need to comply with lawful instructions, lawfully given, from a police officer. A critical difference that is lost on far too many police officers and citizens alike.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:41 pm to FaCubeItches
I bet not too many people get shot by cops when they do what the cops say. You can wait to hash the legal aspects out later.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:00 pm to Peter Buck
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I bet not too many people get shot by cops when they do what the cops say.
One must ensure that they do not create an aura of consent when interacting with an officer involuntarily. One MUST not cooperate with an officer's order at times to refrain from doing so. An example of this would be refusing to identify one's self in absense of reasonable articulable suspicion. There are many more examples, but rest assured that many "commands" you hear daily from officers have not the force of law backing them, yet people go along to get along, and wind up providing evidence used to build a case for arrest against themselves.
frick the fraternal order of swine. It's a game to them, and they are well versed, and you are a noob. Remember that....I assure you that they will.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:03 pm to HellRaisingDawg
I get that... I just prefer to not get shot
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:20 pm to Peter Buck
There are trade-offs, I admit, and my implication doesn't rise to the level of fleeing a "scene". Certain things will absolutely get you "not breathing" faster than others.
But in order to remain free, at times you must stand your ground, be it against a stranger, your neighbor, or your "friendly neighborhood swine". To refuse to do so empowers those who trespass against you...you become a mark. We have become a nation of apologetic marks that not only cower in the face of authority, but actively cheer that authority on.
It is extremely hard to get a swine charged, let alone convicted. We have proved this over and over. Cops must face repercussions, and they must turn each other in. The fraternity must be broken...
But in order to remain free, at times you must stand your ground, be it against a stranger, your neighbor, or your "friendly neighborhood swine". To refuse to do so empowers those who trespass against you...you become a mark. We have become a nation of apologetic marks that not only cower in the face of authority, but actively cheer that authority on.
It is extremely hard to get a swine charged, let alone convicted. We have proved this over and over. Cops must face repercussions, and they must turn each other in. The fraternity must be broken...
Posted on 4/10/15 at 3:30 pm to HellRaisingDawg
Posted on 4/10/15 at 3:48 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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One must ensure that they do not create an aura of consent when interacting with an officer involuntarily. One MUST not cooperate with an officer's order at times to refrain from doing so. An example of this would be refusing to identify one's self in absense of reasonable articulable suspicion.
This is awful advice, assuming you have nothing to incriminate yourself over.
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that many "commands" you hear daily from officers have not the force of law backing them, yet people go along to get along
I don't doubt that, I believe it.
There are idiot cops all over the place just like idiot anythings. And whether we like it or not, those idiots are in a position of power and authority. No it's not always a good thing, and of course they aren't always right. But getting in a dick measuring contest and trying to prove how badass you are in these situations doens't lead to anythign good. If people would just do what they're asked by LEO, almost every single time they're on their way without being shot, tased, or whatever else.
Since my last speeding ticket 12 years ago, I've been pulled over roughly 7 or 8 times. Each time, I roll my drivers window down, turn off the car, have my license in my lap, put my hands on the steering wheel, and am polite with their questioning. Know how many tickets I've gotten? Zero.
Again, I fully undestand that there are some cops that are complete oafs and have no business in that line of work. But most of them are regular folks just doing a job like anyone else. When they approach a situation, they have NO IDEA what kind of person they'll be dealing with. Every time they approach a car that they've pulled over for simply running a red light, they could potentially be walking up on someone with a loaded pistol in their lap ready to take fire. These dumbasses who think they're internet famous by posting youtube videos of their shite in a ziploc bag handing out a 1" sliver of the window and telling them that they have rights doesn't do anything to help themselves. Just do what they ask and go on about your day. It really isn't a difficult concept.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 3:52 pm to SquatchDawg
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And another one....this is becoming a daily occurrence..
Are those cops in the wrong? Yes, they absolutely are. There is no justification for the extent of their actions. But, does this just get completely glossed over?
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The suspect took off in a vehicle and deputies initiated a pursuit
Pusok allegedly abandoned the vehicle where he took off running.
During a search on foot, with off-road vehicles and by helicopter, deputies learned the suspect had stolen a horse and rode it on dirt trails through rugged, steep terrain
So, we have a guy fleeing police in a vehicle, runing on foot, then stealing a horse.
Ummmm....how about don't do all that and you don't get pummeled. I swear cop hating is the new big fad that everyone wants to get on.
It's reeeeeeeal simple folks. Don't run from the cops and you won't be in this situation for them to beat you. Not frickin hard.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 4:26 pm to Whiznot
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I'm sorry for slandering the gestapo by comparing that organization to America's intrepid murderous anti-drug warriors.
Never forget David Hooks.
I'll make a bet with you. I would bet more police officers are killed in the line of duty, than police officers killing innocent people. Bet?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:03 pm to DawgsLife
You'd do well not to make that bet, if these stats are any indication: 27 vs indeterminate amount (~400)
Funny how the Feds require the data from localities on the number of Cops killed, but could give less than one shite about the number of civilians killed by the oinkers.
Again, miiiiiiight not want to make that bet, even with your unknowable qualifier of "innocent people".
Funny how the Feds require the data from localities on the number of Cops killed, but could give less than one shite about the number of civilians killed by the oinkers.
Again, miiiiiiight not want to make that bet, even with your unknowable qualifier of "innocent people".
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:05 pm to DawgsLife
You lose, Pal.
From the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
We don't have accurate figures for the number of citizens killed by the police because no one keeps those statistics but there is some information gathered by 538 dot com.
Dawgslife, how can you be so fricking ignorant?
From the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
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A total of 1,501 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past 10 years, an average of one death every 58 hours or 150 per year. There were 100 law enforcement officers killed in 2013.
We don't have accurate figures for the number of citizens killed by the police because no one keeps those statistics but there is some information gathered by 538 dot com.
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The Killed By Police Facebook page, which aggregates links to news articles on police-related killings and keeps a running tally on the number of victims. The creator of the page does not seek to determine whether police killings are justifiable; each post “merely documents the occurrence of a death.” He told FiveThirtyEight that he was an instructor on nonviolent physical-intervention techniques and that he prefers to remain anonymous. Killed by Police had listed more than 1,450 deaths caused by law-enforcement officers since its launch, on May 1, 2013, through Sunday. That works out to about three per day, or 1,100 a year.
Dawgslife, how can you be so fricking ignorant?
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:08 pm to Whiznot
FWIW that doesn't prove anything about the number of cops killing innocent people.
I'm not getting into it one way or the other but just saying translating that into cops are murdering innocent people at a rate of 3 per day is laughable. And ignorant.
I'm not getting into it one way or the other but just saying translating that into cops are murdering innocent people at a rate of 3 per day is laughable. And ignorant.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 5:11 pm
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