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Any QB gurus?
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:04 am
I was wondering about JT Daniels.
He can definitely throw the ball deep, but what concerns me is he seems to get an awful lot of air on the ball when he goes deep. So much that the receivers tend to slow down so they don't outrun the throws. I can remember this happening 3-4 times this year, when if he had taken a little of the air out from under the balls and hit the receivers in stride we could have had TDs.
It happened twice in the Cincinnati game.
In your opinion is this from being a little rusty, or just something he does when trying to get distance?
I would also like to see our coaches go fora few more routes hitting the WRs in stride on medium routes and letting them (Arian Smith) break them long with their speed...similar to the way Alabama handled Devonte Smith. I realize they hit him with deep balls, too, but I think mixing the routes helped make him more effective.
Looking for your opinions on these two topics.
He can definitely throw the ball deep, but what concerns me is he seems to get an awful lot of air on the ball when he goes deep. So much that the receivers tend to slow down so they don't outrun the throws. I can remember this happening 3-4 times this year, when if he had taken a little of the air out from under the balls and hit the receivers in stride we could have had TDs.
It happened twice in the Cincinnati game.
In your opinion is this from being a little rusty, or just something he does when trying to get distance?
I would also like to see our coaches go fora few more routes hitting the WRs in stride on medium routes and letting them (Arian Smith) break them long with their speed...similar to the way Alabama handled Devonte Smith. I realize they hit him with deep balls, too, but I think mixing the routes helped make him more effective.
Looking for your opinions on these two topics.
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Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:43 am to DawgsLife
Film Study
This video does a good job of explaining the issues with his deep throws / throwing mechanics. Jump to the 8:10 mark to see him address the deep ball.
This video does a good job of explaining the issues with his deep throws / throwing mechanics. Jump to the 8:10 mark to see him address the deep ball.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:01 am to P-Dawg
Will be an ongoing problem unless he turns into Aaron Rodgers
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:30 am to DawgsLife
Lewis and Herschel is a qb coach and watches a ton of film and goes to clinics.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:43 am to Porter Osborne Jr
He has such good arm strength and touch, that he never learned good mechanics is my guess. Didn’t have to... but needs to. It will help with his longer throws being more consistent.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:47 am to P-Dawg
Thanks! Will do.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:47 am to DawgsLife
The air under the ball is a good thing. If timed right, the defender can't make a play on it.
Timing is the hard part.
Releasing early enough for Arian Smith to not outrun the throw is another concern.
Because of the mechanics, Daniels doesn't have good accuracy downfield. But with the loft and downward trajectory on the ball, receivers have a good opportunity to adjust to the throw.
Timing is the hard part.
Releasing early enough for Arian Smith to not outrun the throw is another concern.
Because of the mechanics, Daniels doesn't have good accuracy downfield. But with the loft and downward trajectory on the ball, receivers have a good opportunity to adjust to the throw.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:48 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Lewis and Herschel is a qb coach and watches a ton of film and goes to clinics.
Okay. I can't tell when you are being sarcastic.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:52 am to Peter Buck
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He has such good arm strength and touch, that he never learned good mechanics is my guess. Didn’t have to... but needs to. It will help with his longer throws being more consistent.
QB is a position that has always been a mystery to me. I couldn't throw the ball 20 yards down the field so it was a given I had better be able to catch it.
He seems to be very accurate with his throws, which is a surprise to me. I didn't know if the added air might be from his injury. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence that he can get the push needed from his legs to throw it a bit more on a line, so to get the distance he goes more for adding air. Even the added air is not a problem if he can throw the ball sooner, then his receivers can run under them and not break stride.
There are just so many angles to approach this from I was struggling.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:55 am to meansonny
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The air under the ball is a good thing. If timed right, the defender can't make a play on it.
Timing is the hard part.
Releasing early enough for Arian Smith to not outrun the throw is another concern.
This. This is what concerned me most. He waits until the receivers are open, then throws with too much air and receivers have to wait on the ball, allowing the defenders to catch the receivers. It hasn't hurt us yet, but it concerns me going forward.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:00 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Plant knee still not 100%, he is doing what he is doing largely with pure arm strength. It's why he didn't want to play this year.
Next year, he should be able to use his whole body to throw.
Pick up 10-15 yards on a deep ball.
Damn midget Mayfield uses his lower body as good as I have seen and can drive a football 75 yards.
Next year, he should be able to use his whole body to throw.
Pick up 10-15 yards on a deep ball.
Damn midget Mayfield uses his lower body as good as I have seen and can drive a football 75 yards.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Okay. I can't tell when you are being sarcastic.
I mean he claims he is and has some decent thoughts on the position, except his thought that Dilfer is a better qb than Marino
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:40 pm to lewis and herschel
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Plant knee still not 100%, he is doing what he is doing largely with pure arm strength. It's why he didn't want to play this year.
Next year, he should be able to use his whole body to throw.
Pick up 10-15 yards on a deep ball.
Damn midget Mayfield uses his lower body as good as I have seen and can drive a football 75 yards.
Agreed, he seems all upper body yet still very good. If he can get his leg planted and core into it imagine how far he could throw it?
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:50 pm to Peter Buck
Is this something he can learn and execute on the field in one off season? I’m assuming we have coaches that work on this type of thing.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:10 pm to DawgsLife
I agree. I saw several times this year he underthrew and it would have been a TD. However, with the talent of our receivers, I would rather he underthrow than overthrow. Overthrow equals incomplete. Underthrow is more likely still a completion.
After seeing the early games with Bennett, I am ok saying "Rats, that 60 yard completion should have been a TD. But it's first and 10 on their 15, let's go!"
After seeing the early games with Bennett, I am ok saying "Rats, that 60 yard completion should have been a TD. But it's first and 10 on their 15, let's go!"
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:16 pm to SquatchDawg
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Is this something he can learn and execute on the field in one off season? I’m assuming we have coaches that work on this type of thing.
The longer you do it, the harder it is to fix. Not sure how long he has done it.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:17 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I mean he claims he is and has some decent thoughts on the position, except his thought that Dilfer is a better qb than Marino
After I looked at my [post, I didn't mean to insinuate that he is not. But usually when people on here pay a compliment to another poster they are sometimes being sarcastic.
I read his response and what he said makes sense.
Herschel, I am sure you are breathing a sigh of relief now that you have our stamp of approval.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:20 pm to SquatchDawg
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Is this something he can learn and execute on the field in one off season? I’m assuming we have coaches that work on this type of thing.
It's like any other habit. The longer you smoke the harder it is to quit. The longer you drive fast, etc etc.
Habits can be very difficult to break for some people and very easy for others. My wife used to fuss at me because when I would come to a stop at a red light behind a car I would be right on their bumper. I decided now that I am getting older I need to stop doing that before I plow into the back of somebody, and i haven't done it since.
TLDR
It depends on the person and how long they have developed the habit.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:33 pm to Peter Buck
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The longer you do it, the harder it is to fix. Not sure how long he has done it.
Brooks Austin broke down that he was doing it in his HS highlights... Gotta think this is likely a long-term, well ingrained habit. Odds of making substantial change to it this offseason are low. My guess is we manage around it as best as possible. Arian Smith likely just has to be an earlier read on deeper routes... otherwise, not sure any of the other receivers will just flat out run past his range very often.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:48 pm to fibonaccisquared
Keep on mind that usually an underthrown ball benefits the wrs, in that sense, I would 1000% prefer a long completed underthrown than ablong over throw.
The dbs usually playing hell to catch up and often interferes when the wr comes back.
The dbs usually playing hell to catch up and often interferes when the wr comes back.
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