re: A new HC - what are our expectations?

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the inability to recruit at an elite level on the LOS

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This has been the cornerstone of my malpractice case against CMR.

This is the big issue and like it or not, Richt was a catalyst. It appears that we are finally stepping up tp pay assistants and have the total package of facilities that will put us on a more even playing field with recruiting and coaching. This is promising.

Ya, its is easier said than done... Saban can do it or at least he can do it with th resources at Bama. I feel like LSU does a better job at that than we do... We are much better with QBs tho

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The school is under new leadership, and the new AD did come from Florida which had success with Urban Meyer from Utah.

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Are you talking about the same AD that everyone wants to run out of Georgia along with Richt? the one that has sabotaged and fought against success on the football field privately while publicly showing support? That AD?

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Georgia has increased their budget for coaches in recent years which could mean that they are willing to pay for an established coach. Though, the buyouts of the current staff could affect that as well.

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I hope you are right. It would fly in the face of what we have ever done. However, if we continue doing what we have always done concerning coaches we can expect 10 years of 6 win seasons.

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Ya, its is easier said than done... Saban can do it or at least he can do it with th resources at Bama. I feel like LSU does a better job at that than we do... We are much better with QBs tho

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I DO feel like LSU does better, but it is hard to tell. Arkansas seems too, also. But, once again, it's hard to tell. Our OL looked VERY good last year, and we thought we would do well this year, but we fell flat.....as did Arkansas.

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Key word....if. UGA has always goe after up and coming coordinators. Of all things that is a crap shoot, at best. Since Dooley, we have hired 3 coaches and in my opinion we whiffed on 2. If many on here is to be believed, we have whiffed on all three. Are you hoping that odds are we will finally get one right? I'm not loving the odds.

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Well first, I think that there are few who would say that Georgia missed on all 3. Few would argue that Richt was not the right man for the job 2001-2005. There is a very clear split after that though. Secondly, that's an entirely defeatist attitude. Why bother having a football program if you are not going to try and win? How come every time this argument is brought up that people only focus on the bad that could happen? There is a good chance it could be good too.

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Excluding Alabama, I would guess that that statistic holds true for most SEC schools.

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I took a sample of Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, South Carolina from 2008-2014. Not including the 2 new comers to the SEC, Georgia ranks 6th in this statistic. Granted they are in a virtual tie with Auburn, but Auburn also plays in the SEC west and has had 3 different coaches during that time.

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You DO realize that Notre Dame has struggled MIGHTILY for a long, long time. Think about that. Notre Dame. The school that has it's pick of coaches...and they have struggled with failure after failure on coaches. Florida struggled after Urban Meyer....Southern cal has struggled. Alabama struggled. All of those schools you named struggled mightily for YEARS. Are you prepared to go through 10+ years of 6-6 teams?

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And all of those schools eventually got it right. They were not scared of going from 6-6 to 2-10 because they had higher expectations. I don't subscribe to the defeatist mentality. The point of sports is to win at the highest level (and I don't mean that it's NC or bust). If you aren't there then you have to make changes to get there. Change requires risk. If Georgia was 10-3 every year and actually competing that would be one thing (see 2001-2005). But, Georgia is losing to basically every quality team they play (compare Georgia's record against top 25 teams to some of our SEC peers, it's way worse than the stats I gave above), and suffering way too many blowouts.

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If 10 wins is inflated, how are you going to feel about multiple 6 win seasons against those same cupcake teams and weak SEC East? Now you are talking about HORRIBLE. The problem is this....Richt has been SO consistent with 10 wins that you have come to look at it as an easy thing to do. yet Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina....NONE have been able to do it under those circumstances. Not as consistently as Richt has.

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No better or worse than I currently feel. In either case I know that Georgia isn't competing.
You are partially right though. The problem here is expectations. In his first 5 years Richt had Georgia at an elite level (I don't care that we didn't have a NC win) the team was consistently beating quality opponents and even in the losses the games were close. That is the level which I believe UGA should operate at given it's history, resources, and geographic advantages.
Look 10 wins is not easy, but there is no denying that Richt has greatly benefited in the scheduling department, especially over the last 10 years. That good fortune is bound to change eventually, and given Georgia's success rate against quality teams compared to its peers...that scares me.

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Well first, I think that there are few who would say that Georgia missed on all 3. Few would argue that Richt was not the right man for the job 2001-2005

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Ok. So we whiffed on 2 out of three. Odss still not very good.

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Why bother having a football program if you are not going to try and win?

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Are you saying we are NOT trying to win? Do you think the goal of this coaching staff every year is to lose 2-3 games? I doubt that. I have a feeling they would all love to win all our games and wina National Championship. And changing coaches for the sake of change is not the way to do it.

Tell me this...if you are a succesful coach and you see a school just fired a coah that averages 10 wins a year......are you going there?

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And all of those schools eventually got it right. They were not scared of going from 6-6 to 2-10 because they had higher expectations.

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Seriously? Let me see...so much fail here. You guys are wanting to fire Richt because he cannot get us to "the next level"...meaning the National Championship. Notre Dame has not won one. USCw has not won one. Florida has not won one (And after one season who can tell if they have it right or not?) Nebraska? No. The only one on that list that has gotten it "right" according to everyone's expectations is Alabama.
Here are YOUR words in THIS poat:

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The point of sports is to win at the highest level (and I don't mean that it's NC or bust). If you aren't there then you have to make changes to get there.

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They have not gotten there and their changes have not helped...in fact, while they are showing improvement, they are not doing any better than Georgia is with Richt. Ok. Alabama is doing better. But not USCw. Not Nebraska. Not Tennessee. Not Florida (Although it is WAY top early to say either way) ....I'm trying to figure out how any of them are doing better than we are with Richt. And some have been and still are struggling mightily.

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I actually don't know what people's issues are with Greg Mcgarity. I'm not saying that there is not legitimate gripe, but I don't pay enough attention to the politics of it anymore. I'm just going off what I know from his time at Florida and the fact that they have actually started paying the coaches a little since he took the job (though that could also be the new school president's doing, I don't know).

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Actually, I am with you on this one. I don't pay close enough attention. I think it stems from the rumors coming out that McGarrity was trying to force Richt out and possibly was making moves to hinder the success of the football program to keep Richt from succeeding. I'm not sure where this all came from or how accurate it is, though. I was under the impression he was making the moves everyone had been hoping for. IPF, etc.

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What we expect is the same level of results as Florida or LSU I would be happy with 40 to 50% winning %.

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a) Florida has been horrible after making a coaching change until they got Meyer. McElwain has exceeded expectations this year but as mentioned before, it is only one year. Muschamp had one good year too and it turned out to be an outlier.

b) Your comment about winning percentage makes no sense.