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re: A new HC - what are our expectations?

Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:37 pm to
Were you around during the Donnan and Goff eras?
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:41 pm to
I Went to the last game in which we wore red pants, and the next year, to a bowl game in Atlanta fulton county stadium.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:42 pm to
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I Went to the last game in which we wore red pants


Did you get Peter to autograph something?
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:44 pm to
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Would Nick Saban have come here if we offered the same $ back when he came to Bama?


No. He could and did look for the perfect storm. Bama was on an extremely short list of teams that could have drawn him away from Miami.

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Did Bama just hire a coach like Saban and that is that or was it part of an overall financial commitment to spend their way back to the top?


Yes.

We get it. We aren't hiring Saban. But neither was anyone else outside a short list. shite, UF and many other schools have never landed a "Saban". They certainly did not this last go around, reaching down to the mid-majors to grab someone with upside.

The prestigious, can't miss coach is a rare bird indeed.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:45 pm to
I still have those red pants. Made cut off shorts out of them. Pretty sure they don't fit any more...
Posted by Peter Buck
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12415 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:46 pm to
Not the ones Mike wore in Tampa though... Mine are older.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:50 pm to
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Pretty sure they don't fit any more...


Pretty sure you wear them regardless...
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:09 pm to
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Yes.

We get it. We aren't hiring Saban. But neither was anyone else outside a short list. shite, UF and many other schools have never landed a "Saban". They certainly did not this last go around, reaching down to the mid-majors to grab someone with upside.

The prestigious, can't miss coach is a rare bird indeed.


I agree, but there also seems to be a correlation to programs willing to spend money and those who win. We have to play a lot of these teams too.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but regardless of who our coach is in a few years, I feel like the culture of cheap may finally be behind us. Coaches can come and go and have good runs, but to win at the level we want to win... Consistently, we have to have the facilities and support staff to accomplish this. And we need to recruit in the top 5 instead of the top ten.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:00 pm to
Do t forget that Bama was spending boatloads of money at one point and losing...but I see and agree with what you are saying.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:15 pm to
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No, that part isn't, but the overall lack of execution by the team was.


Sometimes a lack of execution by a team is just because the opponent is good. And because they are good they stop their opponents from executing.

I remember in High School one year we played a team that very good. They had two players that went on and played in the NFL.....one played fro Georgia. (Larry Kennebrew and Ray Donaldson) We fumbled 5 times inside our own 20 yard line. Got blown out 30-0. Were they good? yes. Were they 30-0 better than us? No. We finished the year 9-1 and ranked, faced them again in the playoffs and they beat us again....10-0. They intercepted a pass and ran it back for a TD. We played them evenly, in short. We weren't poorly coached. We just had things go wrong in the first game and it snowballed. We just couldn't recover. Sometimes things like that happen. That's what happened to UGA in 2012 against South Carolina. It just happens sometimes.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:36 pm to
I certainly see your point, but the cornerstone of the argument against Richt isn't that we lose to better teams, but rather that:

1) You can set your watch to at least one headscratcher of loss, every year, and relatedly

2) If #5 Boise was "supposed" to beat #18 UGA in 2011, why is it that Richt-led Georgia teams find new and inventive ways to forget to show up for the games where they're the metaphorical #5?

If you believe the last ten years of evidence, Georgia is more guilty of Clemsoning than Clemson. The fan base as a whole is reaching a breaking point with respect to this being an acceptable result from their football team and its head coach.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:52 pm to
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It just happens sometimes.


"Sometimes" for Georgia being "annually".

Fans get mad at whenever the wheels fall off, but they get that it is possible - Bama vs. Ole Miss this year being a prime example - and they move on. When it happens every season (i.e., goes from possible to probable), it becomes something different.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:54 pm to
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1) You can set your watch to at least one headscratcher of loss, every year, and relatedly


This is true. Seems to happen every year. I haven't checked....but I wonder how often it happens to other teams. Also, Some of those losses have occurred to official errors, judgement on the part of players, etc.
I have to admit that there are times he makes a call that is truly a head scratcher, though.

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2) If #5 Boise was "supposed" to beat #18 UGA in 2011, why is it that Richt-led Georgia teams find new and inventive ways to forget to show up for the games where they're the metaphorical #5?


See my example above. Sometimes things just fall that way. How in the world has Ole Miss beaten Alabama two years in a row? How did Toledo beat Arkansas earlier this year? If we get upset, we usually get upset by an SEC team, at least. We haven't really had a really, really bad game that I recall. (I am not counting the UCF game because they had a really good team with Bortles as their QB)

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If you believe the last ten years of evidence, Georgia is more guilty of Clemsoning than Clemson.


And yet, they are the #1 team in the nation right now. Why? because we simply have not gotten any breaks, mainly. Ok.....some poor playing and bad decision making has helped!

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The fan base as a whole is reaching a breaking point with respect to this being an acceptable result from their football team and its head coach.


I understand that. But...remember when the braves won the World Series? It wasn't nearly as satisfying as most of us thought it would be. Why? because when you are on the outside looking in, it seems better than it really is. And when you are having success, you don't appreciate it nearly as much as you really should. People simply do not appreciate what Richt has done, and how good we have had it. And, if we win a NC, we will not get that great rush we thought we would.
Posted by Dawgs28
Member since Oct 2015
101 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:57 pm to
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Ok. So we whiffed on 2 out of three. Odss still not very good.


So you're saying that you don't trust the Georgia administration to get the coaching hire right?

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Are you saying we are NOT trying to win? Do you think the goal of this coaching staff every year is to lose 2-3 games? I doubt that. I have a feeling they would all love to win all our games and wina National Championship. And changing coaches for the sake of change is not the way to do it.

Tell me this...if you are a succesful coach and you see a school just fired a coah that averages 10 wins a year......are you going there?


Not in the least...I know Richt is trying to win, I know the all the fans want to win, I know the AD wants to win. But you seem to have a very different expectation level than me. You are fine with 9-10 wins a year which is ok I guess even when nearly all of them are meaningless. That's your prerogative, and if that's is all your expect out f the program. Even over the last 8-10 years Georgia has been 'good' under Mark Richt.

However, if you want to compete at an elite level like Georgia once did when Richt first got here then look at the facts, the historical data, the physical proof on the football field over the last decade. Georgia does not compare to other elite teams over that stretch.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 4:57 pm to
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#18 beating #5 is possible.


Especially when those numbers are pre-season rankings, as there's really nothing to go on yet; it would be more difficult at the end of a season, when both teams are known quantities.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 5:01 pm to
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Coaches can come and go and have good runs, but to win at the level we want to win...


To address this, because I don't believe I've ever said it: winning isn't the hair up my arse. Sure, who doesn't love to win and win consistently? No fricking one. But there has to be a loser in every game.

I just want to compete, and compete in every game. I look back at the '12 Sugar Bowl....that team competed, and it lost. That still felt great, after the agony of defeat had passed. A moral victory? Perhaps, but it doesn't change how it feels.

Win when you should, and win a few that you shouldn't. Leave the Championships up to the luck it takes to get there. Mark Richt is luckless and doesn't seem to compete in the big games.

That's my feeling.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60744 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 5:14 pm to
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Mark Richt is luckless and doesn't seem to compete in the big games.


Ed Zachary. I get it when folks say that every NC team needs a degree of luck on their way to the top. Sometimes you win a squeaker of a game, maybe it's a fluke play or the ball bounces your way for once, but dammit man, somebody tell me that I'm not the only one who feels like CMR catches ZERO breaks.

NEVER.

frickING.

EVER.

Literally the man hasn't had luck favor him in ten years. The whole Charlie Brown thing is the perfect characterization. I heard it said a few years ago, "Mark Richt loves him some Jesus... but I'm not sure the feeling is mutual."
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 5:21 pm to
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Pretty sure you wear them regardless...


Nah... They have been up in th top of my office closet for 20 years or more. I kind of feel bad they are just hidden up there.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 5:28 pm to
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NEVER.

frickING.

EVER.

Literally the man hasn't had luck favor him in ten years. The whole Charlie Brown thing is the perfect characterization. I heard it said a few years ago, "Mark Richt loves him some Jesus... but I'm not sure the feeling is mutual."


People used to point to the Edwards drop in '02 against UF as an example of Mark Richt not catching a break. I always countered that he made his own luck (bad) by running an offense that went 0 for 13 on third down conversions.

Seriously. 0 for 13.

Luck is a ball bouncing the wrong or right way on a divot. Not being inept...

Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 5:38 pm to
For some reason, during th Goff and Donnan eras... The thought of beating UF and UT was like wishful thinking. There was a time when you looked at the schedule and pretty much conceded 3 losses. Sure losses.

For me at least, during the Richt era, most of the years, I felt we had the talent in place to win all our games.

Not saying it is good or bad, but just find it interesting. I guess I feel like Richt has enough talent to luck into one. It's not an endorsement. Just the way I have seen this era of UGA football.
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