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re: 2020 Recruiting Thread (SVP and Broderick Jones stay committed to the G)
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:51 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:51 am to fibonaccisquared
It’s all about getting him on campus. He is a TE. No matter what any of these schools promise him, he will be a TE from the day he steps on campus, and an excellent one at that.
We need to win the battle here. It’s bizarre that we are doing so well nationally and yet getting whipped for the in state guys we really want and need.
We need to win the battle here. It’s bizarre that we are doing so well nationally and yet getting whipped for the in state guys we really want and need.
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:29 am to Broncothor
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My concern is we have TE prospects wanting us to use the TE more, we have WR talent saying we will be passing more, and we have split carries in the backfield. It's hard to please all prospects who want to count touches.
Honestly the only reason this is an issue on Kirby’s teams is because games are over by the 3rd/early 4th quarter and we are pulling our starters. Under Richt and Bobo we had more games and more touches for the skill players throughout a season because we weren’t putting away teams on a regular basis like we have been the last two years. I honestly don’t think that’s going to change anytime soon.
The way you can sell it is the younger skill players get more touches in garbage time. I wish Kirby wouldn’t shut the offense down when the game is in hand. Let the 2’s get game reps because a lot of the skill guys are going to be leaving after three years anyways. Make sure they are ready when it’s their turn instead of just shutting the offense down and bleeding clock...That’s a personal problem I have with how we handle garbage time and I understand the implications but I personally think not going for the jugular every game cost us the last two years when we finally had put an elite team away when facing Bama.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:33 am to GruvenDawg
It definitely has cost us. It is asinine and doesn’t help develop our young players at all. It’s a big reason why we lost Fields last year.
Unfortunately, I don’t see it changing any time soon.
Unfortunately, I don’t see it changing any time soon.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:39 am to NCDawg52
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We need to win the battle here
I don't see it as remotely critical. The pool of 3 elite TEs are all very good. Do I think Gilbert is better than Theo Johnson? Yes... but it's not like the drop down to Cam Large... If Gilbert is adamant that he won't play with Washington as has been reported, then I'd take DW + TJ 101 times out of 100 over AG + Cam Large...
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It’s bizarre that we are doing so well nationally and yet getting whipped for the in state guys we really want and need.
You're really clinging hard to this "whipped" ground. The state was light on talent in 20, we've looked elsewhere for a lot of our pieces... If at the end of the class we say, damn we sure did miss out on X in state... but who are you upset about?
Murphy - WAS NOT GOING TO PLAY IN A BASE 3-4... no matter how much you want him. Blame Kirby and our defensive scheme if you want, but much like AG is sold on this vision of "I'm a WR, not a TE" Murphy thinks his best path to playing time is at a school that lines up with a base 4 man front. He's probably not wrong.
Gilbert - haven't lost him, but see above. if it's AG and a shitty tier TE vs DW + TJ, I'm taking the latter every time.
Who else in state are we getting whipped for? Bigsby? He's not even a top 10 RB in my evaluation... We also supposedly told him that he couldn't commit...
If Gilbert's problem is not wanting to go to a school to block, how long do you think it takes him to see the field in Athens. Kirby wouldn't throw a ball to DRob because of his blocking issues. You think Gilbert is going to see the field at TE with that issue? I'm fine with getting him on campus if he's got the right attitude, but otherwise he's just another Cox, Fields, etc who is a poor fit and ends up in the portal. I'll take the dudes who are ready to go do their damn job... rankings be damned.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:47 am to fibonaccisquared
Won’t rehash the Murphy stuff because it’s been done enough.
Re: Gilbert, we should be selling him on a hybrid role just like other schools are. Kirby has to get over this inability to incorporate pass catchers until they can block like a left tackle. I get it. I love high standards. But, it only hurts us on the field to not use weapons that we have in passing situations, and it makes it very easy to negatively recruit against us for pass catchers.
We had a great haul at WR last year, but I still view that, and by extension TE, as our second weakest recruiting position, largely due to the stubbornness of our scheme.
The aforementioned scheme doesn’t create a lot of advantages or mismatches, so it requires exceptionally elite talent across the board to win the biggest games while simultaneously making it harder to recruit that talent at WR and TE.
I’m hoping we really do see some evolution on this front this year under Coley, but it seems to me like Kirby bizarrely has his head up his arse on this aspect of the program.
Re: Gilbert, we should be selling him on a hybrid role just like other schools are. Kirby has to get over this inability to incorporate pass catchers until they can block like a left tackle. I get it. I love high standards. But, it only hurts us on the field to not use weapons that we have in passing situations, and it makes it very easy to negatively recruit against us for pass catchers.
We had a great haul at WR last year, but I still view that, and by extension TE, as our second weakest recruiting position, largely due to the stubbornness of our scheme.
The aforementioned scheme doesn’t create a lot of advantages or mismatches, so it requires exceptionally elite talent across the board to win the biggest games while simultaneously making it harder to recruit that talent at WR and TE.
I’m hoping we really do see some evolution on this front this year under Coley, but it seems to me like Kirby bizarrely has his head up his arse on this aspect of the program.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:00 am to NCDawg52
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Re: Gilbert, we should be selling him on a hybrid role just like other schools are.
By all accounts, we are. His aversion to play on the same team with DW appears to be the driving factor for us no longer holding a solid lead... not sure why frankly. He would obviously be the bigger receiving threat of the two so long as he doesn't just completely whiff on blocking responsibilities and development. Woerner should be a great comparison, even though Gilbert is a superior athletic talent. Woerner was involved early as a freshman specifically due to the skillset he brings as a Flex-TE and other than staying healthy has been pretty involved in the offense, even if he hasn't gotten the *targets* I think he probably merits.
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We had a great haul at WR last year, but I still view that, and by extension TE, as our second weakest recruiting position, largely due to the stubbornness of our scheme.
The aforementioned scheme doesn’t create a lot of advantages or mismatches, so it requires exceptionally elite talent across the board to win the biggest games while simultaneously making it harder to recruit that talent at WR and TE.
I’m hoping we really do see some evolution on this front this year under Coley, but it seems to me like Kirby bizarrely has his head up his arse on this aspect of the program.
I don't disagree. I would say that Hankton's pulls this year, assuming he lands Arian Smith though are strong enough to say we're trending the right direction. I do agree that offensively, if Coley doesn't force Smart's hand to think outside the box a bit, we're always going to struggle recruiting receivers at a consistent clip. Saban and Alabama's offense with Joey Freshwater had that kick in the arse and look what it's done for WR recruiting since... They haven't lost their ability or identity as a physical football team, but they definitely have more quick strike ability in the passing game as a result of the athletes they've recruited at receiving positions.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:40 am to fibonaccisquared
Nothing official here, but as several of us had predicted, there is at least rumblings of some adjustments to the 25 cap due to the transfer portal. From SoFL Dawg:
This would make a TON of sense as to why we're hearing about more guys that we couldn't figure out how to squeeze into the class.
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I have heard that there is chatter schools have been communicated with and believe the 25 limit will be lifted and retroactively back counted. I don’t have any additional info on that. All I can definitively say is we take 23 minimum. My gut says it’ll be 25 with 27 total (blue shirt Zirkel and Joseph who isn’t initial counter with the class). I’ve mocked 24, to be safe, with a blue shirt and Joseph.
This would make a TON of sense as to why we're hearing about more guys that we couldn't figure out how to squeeze into the class.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:47 am to fibonaccisquared
Excellent news. Larger class allowances will only help us create more talent disparity as compared to our rivals, specifically because we are likely to fill the last few spots with prospects who would have otherwise signed with our direct rivals.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:22 pm to NCDawg52
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It definitely has cost us. It is asinine and doesn’t help develop our young players at all. It’s a big reason why we lost Fields last year. Unfortunately, I don’t see it changing any time soon.
Lost Fields? I was glad to see him go. Fields was a problem behind the scenes who came to Athens claiming he didn’t mind redshirting but changed his mind. I’d like to think he started listening to the fans who kept saying he should start over a guy that’s considered a 2nd coach on the field. The kid can’t read a defense and he runs when his first read is covered. The Auburn game was all anyone needs to see to know he belonged on the bench the entire year.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:34 pm to RedFive
Ugh... New thread if you wanna talk about fields... tOSU board even. 
Seriously, please don't shite in the crootin' thread.
Seriously, please don't shite in the crootin' thread.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:59 pm to fibonaccisquared
Back on topic... if someone wants to drop this image in the next "UGA has always recruited elite talent" conversation, I wouldn't be mad atcha...
Posted on 8/8/19 at 1:07 pm to fibonaccisquared
They'll just switch gears and say we're buying players.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:08 pm to fibonaccisquared
“They cheatin!” Is the heir apparent to “1980”
It seems unlikely that it will have to be deployed, but rest assured, our auburn/Florida/tech “friends” are making preparation to pivot just in case the universe aligns and we actually win something.
It seems unlikely that it will have to be deployed, but rest assured, our auburn/Florida/tech “friends” are making preparation to pivot just in case the universe aligns and we actually win something.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:14 pm to NCDawg52
They can say whatever they want to after Kirby makes them bend the knee and kiss the ring.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:24 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Ugh... New thread if you wanna talk about fields... tOSU board even. Seriously, please don't shite in the crootin' thread.
No, I’m not starting a new thread to comment on a post in this thread. You did notice another member brought up Fields when I replied, right?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:56 pm to RedFive
Who is Fields?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:03 pm to Whiznot
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Who is Fields?
He was the cancer removed after last season. They thought they got all of the cancer during that operation but more cancer was discovered last week and was subsequently removed.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:08 pm to RedFive
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No, I’m not starting a new thread to comment on a post in this thread. You did notice another member brought up Fields when I replied, right?
You can respond to the comment without devolving into a Fields specific conversation:
"It definitely has cost us. It is asinine and doesn’t help develop our young players at all. It’s a big reason why we lost Fields last year. Unfortunately, I don’t see it changing any time soon."
If we're going to pick that statement apart, I'd say it's probably an unfair criticism to say that we are not helping young players develop. We're doing a fine job of developing our young players collectively, but that it does feel like it's heavily skewed to the defense. Smart gets after guys in the 4th quarter for giving up a defensive score, conversion, etc... I don't see the same level of emphasis in the late game when we moved into "grind clock mode"... Independent of whether Fields needed to leave or not, we did an extremely poor job of utilizing/deploying him last year. Even without the attitude problem, I would have had concerns if I were in Fields' shoes about how effectively the offensive staff can take advantage of my strengths.
I say that to bring us back to what matters... Kirby needs to understand that the offense is very likely to need to evolve earlier for us than it did for Alabama. The super vanilla stuff works fine to run train through the East right now, but we absolutely need more "gears" to go through when it comes to playing Alabama, Clemson, etc. We've got 2 years worth of matchups against Alabama where we showed we can come out with a great Plan A offensively, but once that gets taken away, we seemingly had nowhere to go.
I got distracted with a work call, no idea if I finished my thought, but I'm off my soapbox... Go dawgs.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:20 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I got distracted with a work call, no idea if I finished my thought, but I'm off my soapbox... Go dawgs.
Dude. You got to get your priorities in order. Quit that job.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:22 pm to DawgsLife
We are less than one month from the start of the season.
That means I’m basically operating at 40% effectiveness until after national signing day.
That means I’m basically operating at 40% effectiveness until after national signing day.
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