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re: 14 Dawgs invited to NFL combine (Dan Jackson not one)
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:39 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:39 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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alent" and "better" is completely subjective and it's all in the eye of the beholder. You can correct people and be a know-it-all on here all day long, but at the end of the day you're just being completely subjective. Unless you're frigging Gil Brandt Jr. or something and you're some master talent evaluator and not just some random dork on the internet who doesn't get enough credit for being a genius.
Alright let's start over then. Your comment exactly was:
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Maybe now all of the "we just weren't as talented this season" people can just admit that we weren't as well-coached this season.
This strongly suggests that you feel the reason for some of our lousy performances in 2024 compared to the recent past was largely due to inferior coaching, and that the "talent" in 2024 was on par with prior years. I think just by looking at your quote above that would be a reasonable conclusion for someone to draw...is that right?
FTR: I wholeheartedly agree coaching was lacking compared to recent years. I also think our overall starting talent was also way down and was likely the bigger factor.
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 9:08 am
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:07 am to WG_Dawg
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This strongly suggests that you feel the reason for some of our lousy performances in 2024 compared to the recent past was largely due to inferior coaching, and that the "talent" in 2024 was on par with prior years. I think just by looking at your quote above that would be a reasonable conclusion for someone to draw...is that right?
I henceforth demand that the word talent is replaced by the word potential in these conversations from this point forward.
So yes, I would say that the 2024 team failed to reach its potential moreso than any one of our teams since maybe 2019 or maybe since Kirby got here.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:27 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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So yes, I would say that the 2024 team failed to reach its potential moreso than any one of our teams since maybe 2019 or maybe since Kirby got here.
ok...but that's an entirely different topic than what you said earlier, which is what prompted my initial reply to you in the first place..
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:49 am to WG_Dawg
Definitely not trying to put words in your mouth here, so I'd just ask you if you think the 2024 team had just as much potential as the 2022 team.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:53 am to Crowknowsbest
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Also have two WRs invited and led the nation in drops.
Maybe the pros realize all those drops weren't necessarily on the WRs.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:04 am to AlaCowboy
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Maybe the pros realize all those drops weren't necessarily on the WRs.
Poor coaching and killing a kid's confidence is a real thing. Happened with our receivers back in 08 or whatever that year was when Mo Mass got booed and our receivers couldn't catch shite.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:18 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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Definitely not trying to put words in your mouth here, so I'd just ask you if you think the 2024 team had just as much potential as the 2022 team.
In this brand new line of discussion, different than what started this conversation, no I would not say 24 has as much potential. Keep in mind though that our "potential" ceiling with kirby is always going to be national title, tha'ts just where we are now as a program. So the ceiling for both years before ever playing a snap was natty. But when you look at the starting 22 at each roster (removing the hindsight we now have, but thinking about things from a preseason 2022 perspective) I think 2022 was much better positioned for big things. The schedule last year also sure didn't help things.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 3:48 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Poor coaching and killing a kid's confidence is a real thing. Happened with our receivers back in 08 or whatever that year was when Mo Mass got booed and our receivers couldn't catch shite.
2 things - Don't equate today to times past. Different times. Different players. Different coaches.
If multiple players have the same problem, maybe the problem isn't with those players, but with the QB (the constant with all the receiver). If he throws the ball too high, behind the target, or when he shouldn't throw it at all, then could the problem be with the QB and not the receiver? Go back and watch games and tell me all the drops or INTs were on the receiver.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 5:09 pm to AlaCowboy
I think Beck just had an odd release, not his fault, just players struggled to track it
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:43 pm to lewis and herschel
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I think Beck just had an odd release,
Considering the number of interceptions he threw last year, versus the few he threw in 2023, I'd say his odd release came after his Miami connection came around.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:57 pm to AlaCowboy
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Considering the number of interceptions he threw last year, versus the few he threw in 2023, I'd say his odd release came after his Miami connection came around.
His odd release is conveniently timed around Bowers, McConkey, and Mims heading to the draft. Team needed Beck to take a step up this year and show that he's the kind of QB who can overcome those losses.
NFL QBs have to prove they can overcome a mass exodus of talent once they sign their second contracts and price out most of their weapons. This season was a pretty good test to see how Beck handles it.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:51 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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Maybe now all of the "we just weren't as talented this season" people can just admit that we weren't as well-coached this season.
Wait and see where they are drafted before you make that argument.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:03 am to VADawg
Our receivers and tes are all 4 and 5 star guys. Don't think they give those ratings to guys who could not catch a ball in high school.. not to the point of setting a record in the NCAA for most drops....
Had to be more to it.
Had to be more to it.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:22 pm to VADawg
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His odd release is conveniently timed around Bowers, McConkey, and Mims heading to the draft.
Bowers and McConkey made catches others couldn't make. Maybe that's why Beck was better in 2023 than in 2024.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:34 pm to AlaCowboy
So,, that is true, but we lead the nation in drops so, maybe some drop off due to their incredible talent but not to the point of most drops.
Then Stockton came in and by and large they could catch again......
Then Stockton came in and by and large they could catch again......
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:55 am to AlaCowboy
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Bowers and McConkey made catches others couldn't make. Maybe that's why Beck was better in 2023 than in 2024.
Beck and Bowers and McConkey only played 5 games together, and one of them was the SECCG where they were limping.
My concern is that Beck had way better timing and rhythm with guys like Lovett and Delp and Dillon Bell in 2023 than he did in 2024. It's as if their timing and trust in each other fell off a cliff, and it was hard to watch last year.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:57 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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people can just admit that we weren't as well-coached this season
Do we think we're past the period where we'd typically expect to see coaching changes? If so, that's pretty frustrating (especially OL coach Sorels).
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:41 pm to New Money
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Wait and see where they are drafted before you make that argume
Strong chance we have 3 players drafted top 15 overall. I'd also bet you 5 dollars we have more Day 2 picks and players picked overall.
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