The ominous sitdown...

I have no clue what you're talking about and don't really care.

If people want to leave let them leave. End of story.

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I have no clue what you're talking about and don't really care.

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I believe the Murrays (Kevin and Kyler) sat down with Sumlin today. There's no actual way he transfers, right?

It's being said no transfer.

That may be the case

It's just K Murray being a helicopter parent. He wants to control how his son is being coached. They're putting Sumlin in a difficult position but he's paid the big bucks to deal with shite like this so he needs to start earning it.

If KM is such a helicopter parent then why has he so rarely come to campus? The defaming of Kevin Murray disgusts me, he did as much for A&M as Johnny and he is being treated horrifically by the fan base almost purely off of conjecture. Too many young pups don't understand just where we were in the early '80s and just how far Kevin took us.

Is he concerned about his son's future? I'm sure he is as would any parent, especially one who understands the game like Kevin does. What frustrates me is every assumption is that every time his name is mentioned it is assumed he has done something completely selfish and against the interests of the team when there is no evidence of that being the case. He isn't even in the same time zone as a helicopter parent compared to Colt McCoy's Dad.

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If KM is such a helicopter parent then why has he so rarely come to campus?

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Even coming on to campus "a few" times is still more than most of the other parents. I don't know, I could be totally wrong but from what I've read about/seen posted, it seems like he's always trying to control and have a hand in his sons coaching. Should every parent be concerned with how their kid is being coached? Absolutely. But that's why when you are being recruited you choose the school that has the best chance of developing and taking care of your kid so you don't have to constantly be looking over the shoulder and trying to have input.

Again, maybe he is a really good guy and this is being blown out of proportion. I'm just going by what I've seen. Nobody is discrediting what he did for A&M during his time on campus. This is just about him (allegedly) micromanaging his son.

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The defaming of Kevin Murray disgusts me, he did as much for A&M as Johnny and he is being treated horrifically by the fan base almost purely off of conjecture. Too many young pups don't understand just where we were in the early '80s and just how far Kevin took us.

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If Johnny has a kid, and Johnny is the handler for the recruitment of his kid, and Johnny as the handler at the end of the recruitment cycle- when A&M coaches lack other options beyond his kid that is committed- uses leverage in the form of promises from the coach at our rival Texas to force the then-A&M coach into playtime promises that no young QB should get, then I promise I will be the first in line to bash the shite out of good old Johnny football.

So why did he suddenly look at the sips then right in the last couple of week of recruiting? Don't tell me some BS about all Charlie strong could promise him. Yes he would basically been guaranteed to be a starter but everybody could see that dumpster fire of a team from a mile away.

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This is still nothing but pure fiction and speculation, no one has ever come out and confirmed this, not an A&M coach, player or anyone associated with the Murray's

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Here is what we know:

-In May Murray commits to A&M. The staff basically shuts down chances with other stud QB recruits at this point.

-Then in late January Kyler tweets out a Texas jersey. This is officially at the very end of the recruiting cycle, too close to NSD for A&M coaches to get back in with any other elite QBs recruits. Kevin has this to say about what Texas offered:

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"I wouldn't necessarily say they offered him the starting job," Kevin said. "You can't just openly say that when you have quarterbacks on your roster, one of which started every game last year. ... I think reading between the tea leaves, I think it was pretty dadgum obvious that there's a desperate need there."

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So even he feels it was implied that Kyler would get guaranteed playing time.

-When we sign Kyler he doesn't redshirt despite us signing some depth to the position and him probably needing it. In fact Kyler gets playing time in the very first game when it was still in question despite the fact that our other QB was a bowl game MVP the last time he played.

-Sumlin had this to say about the situation:

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"There were three schools telling him that he was going to come in there and start," Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin said. "To pair that with the No. 1 dropback passer in the country and starting the last five games, and him being the bowl-game MVP ... after all that, it bugs you. It starts worrying you. It becomes worth looking around, if you keep listening to that. It was just something we had to overcome."

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Put it all together Sarge and Sumlin making promises to Kevin is still speculation, but it is speculation that is backed up by a lot of evidence.

Even if Kevin DIDN'T get promises out of Sumlin, the fact that he allowed his son to consider changing courses so late in the recruiting process after Kyler already committed and after we lacked other options is shitty just in itself. Here is Kevin's quote on that:

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"When you think about it, the only places he had ever been were A&M, Oregon, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. That's over the course of two years. Those are the only places he has ever seen. So he decided to go down to Texas and take a look at it."

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So why couldn't Kevin take Kyler to Texas at some point over that two year recruiting period and not wait until the last minute when HIS alma mater has no other options? No reason from what I can tell, except the fact that when the Murrays did all that the timing gave them maximum leverage to negotiate with Sumlin. If you don't think given what played out with Kyler's playing time that Kevin didn't use that leverage, well let's just say denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

And I still say if Johnny pulls some bullshite like that with his son and waits till the last minute to maybe frick over the program that gave him a platform for a Heisman then I will bash Johnny too.