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re: Taco Meat commercial running a lot lately

Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:45 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:45 pm to
He's class of '11.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:50 pm to
To my Aggie brethren who oppose resumption of the t.u. series:

I respect your position, but I simply do not understand it. Sure, there are potential downsides to an annual series with the 'sips, which I fully understand. And I understand the argument that the potential benefits are so small as to be easily-outweighed by the potential "costs."

But why does the same analysis not preclude other in-state OOC rivalry games?

The SEC breaks down into three groups regarding in-state rivalry games:

(A)
Six of the 14 SEC schools have in-state rivalries with conference mates: Bama/Auburn, Mississippi/MSU, and Tennessee/Vanderbilt. Obviously, they all play annually.

(B)
Three of the 14 SEC schools have an annual in-state OOC rivalry game: Florida/FSU, Georgia/Tech, USEe/Clemson

(C)
Five of the 14 SEC schools lack an annual in-state rivalry game: Missouri, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU & TAMU. Of those five, four of the states lack a second school which has traditionally fielded a decent football program over an extended period of time.

In other words, TAMU is unique in the SEC, in that we have several legitimate prospects (including, but not limited to, the 'horns) for an in-state rivalry game, but we do not play an annual game against any of them.

As I understand the argument, we should not participate in such a series because there are significant potential downsides and no significant potential benefits for the TAMU football program.

So, why do USCe, Georgia and Florida participate in their annual OOC rivalry games?

It seems to me that there are only two potentially-logical answers to that question: either (a) that Florida, Georgia and S.Carolina are too dense to recognize the downside of these games or (b) that t.u./A&M game presents a unique cost/benefit analysis that is inapplicable to our SEC brethren.

I have trouble believing that the university administrations at Florida, Georgia and USCe are complete idiots, so avoiding an annual game with the 'horns has merit only if the TAMU/t.u. series presents an utterly-unique cost/benefit analysis.

So, what is it about TAMU/t.u. that presents a greater downside or lesser benefit than Florida/FSU, Georgia/Tech or USCe/Clemson?



And TLDR right back at you!
Posted by TexasAg13
San Antonio de Béxar
Member since Jul 2013
5892 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:57 pm to
Are you Whiskey Bent?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63109 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:01 pm to
I don't think so. Whiskey Bents trolling is about as subtle as a bat to the face. This is much craftier
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:03 pm to
What presents a greater downside? The fact that they will never agree to an arrangement not stacked in their favor.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Are you Whiskey Bent?
No, but probably Hell Bound.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34910 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

that t.u./A&M game presents a unique cost/benefit analysis that is inapplicable to our SEC brethren.


That is the case. No other rivarly in the nation is like ours.

It comes down to this- I want the best university possible filled with the most talented Aggies possible. I want the best future for A&M. The SEC move and JFF improved our applicant pool. That is what a "brand" mentality can do for us. That means a bright future.

The football team is the front door to the university. Many kids who are really talented want to go to a place that seems cool or has a good team to root for. Then once they are in you brainwash them to be Aggies, that is the plan for the future. I don't want a place full of legacies fallen from the tree at quite a distance.

With that said, I respect all the traditions. I would be very sad if we went too far and NFL-ized what we have like the sips did. We have student participation that is off the map, which means a good future for a tight knit "family."

The key, like anything in life, is balance. We keep the core values and tradions, and prune away the stuff that hurts the goal of having the most talented Aggies possible.

That means changing the intro, adding some smoke, and letting tu rot in that asylum they built.

Its all an irrelevent point. Charlie wants to play us because he can do the math, but Steve is the typical aroogant sip who won't open a dialogue. I say we leave it at that for a decade.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

why does the same analysis not preclude other in-state OOC rivalry games?


Simple. We have a different relationship with t.u. than others do with their OOC rivals. We took the high road and extended the olive branch already to play them OOC, and they declined, purely out of spite. If they come calling to resume the series, it will only be because it benefits them. Other OOC rivalries have plenty of hate, but without one side constantly trying to undermine the other like t.u. has done without fail in our rivalry with them.

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I understand the argument that the potential benefits are so small as to be easily-outweighed by the potential "costs."


Then you should understand why it would be to Texas A&M's detriment to resume such a series regularly. I love my alma mater far more than beating the sips.

quote:

I respect your position, but I simply do not understand it.


I wish I could say "likewise," but I cannot respect a position that is decidedly against TAMU's best interests for the sake of rote nostalgia.


This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:12 pm to
I still don't think this is trolling. there are a good amount of people who say this stuff seriously
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
62687 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:33 pm to
T Bird summed it up nicely. But not only did they shoot us the bird when we offered to keep them on the schedule, from the top down every one of them ran and STILL runs the narrative that we were the destroyers of the big 12 and that we ran away from competition. Which we all know isn't true. We left because they destroyed the conference and the future was very uncertain.

Look I'm not saying you're a troll although I have my serious doubts about Shadow...but you do present your opinions in a way that very few Aggies agree with. I respect your right to your opinion but it is not really the norm on here. Maybe we do get our group think going too much. But most of us recognize how poisonous any kind of relationship with tu could be for our upward trend right now.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:33 pm to
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I still don't think this is trolling. there are a good amount of people who say this stuff seriously


Truth
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60760 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

Not unusual for a network to run a retro successful commercial every now and then.


I get that, but I have seen it 3 more times since that last post. It is getting like the non stop Rudy ads on the SECN that first week. Now and again is good, constant bombardment probably works the opposite effect.

quote:

It's smart marketing


I would agree if the schools were still playing - which they are not - so you are marketing a product that does not exist. That leads me to believe somebody **nudge nudge ESPN wink wink** wants to restart said series. Otherwise the smart marketing would be to run the U$C vs UCLA Halloween one as it may have been the best of the lot and the rivalry is still being played, and it is seasonally correct, which creates demand.

I really did not expect this many pages from what was a simple observation and some simple probable solutions... If in 6 to 18 months such a series gets announced we will see the hand of the mouse confirmed. If not, it will just be an odd aberration.

FWIW, part of what got me thinking about this was when a large Fortune 500 type company started PBS support out of the blue. Sure enough they were acquired within a year. A person I knew saw the ads and started buying the stock and made out quite well. Their logic was the PBS ads were a way to draw attention to themselves without actually advertising they were for sale. Sometimes seeing the future is no more than seeing what everybody else sees but thinking what they have not thought.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:34 pm to
And furthermore, folks' druthers on the game aren't strictly an old army/new army issue, as proven by your little swing and miss with asking Klarvin his class year. My dad is class of '83 and grew up in Aggieland and knows it's better for us not to play them on an annual basis right now, even though of course we both miss the history of the game.

This isn't about old army or new army groupthink.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

I have seen it 3 more times since that last post. It is getting like the non stop Rudy ads on the SECN that first week. Now and again is good, constant bombardment probably works the opposite effect.


Depends on the commercial. As a rule, though, you're incorrect. If something was wildly successful before, doubling down can produce the same effects in many cases. Especially in cases where the circumstances surrounding the ad have changed, as is the case with the a&m/texas rivalry.

quote:

I would agree if the schools were still playing - which they are not - so you are marketing a product that does not exist.


The rivalry exists whether we're playing on the gridiron or not. Ergo, the "product" does indeed exist.

quote:

That leads me to believe somebody **nudge nudge ESPN wink wink** wants to restart said series.


No winking/nudging required, as it's pretty common knowledge ESPN and literally every other media outlet would love for the game to restart. It was a story when it ended, and it would be a story if it resumed. That's all they want: a compelling story. Doesn't mean they have any say in if it restarts, though.

quote:

I really did not expect this many pages from what was a simple observation and some simple probable solutions


You'very made some erroneous assumptions about marketing, and others have discussed the nature of the rivalry. Nothing more.


This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
62687 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:49 pm to
Bird, I did notice that Hank went to tu Law and his dad played football for tu under DKR(according to one of his posts). So I can see how he could have a shared affection for both schools more that we can understand. So if I put myself in his shoes, maybe my tu hate wouldn't be near as strong. He also lists BCS as where he lives and so he isn't as exposed to daily tu asshatery (is that a word?) as much as those of us out in Austin, San Antonio Dallas and Houston are.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:54 pm to
I graduated in 2011.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I did notice that Hank went to tu Law and his dad played football for tu under DKR(according to one of his posts). So I can see how he could have a shared affection for both schools more that we can understand.


I understand. He's not the only Ag with connections to both schools, though. And of course that doesn't change the fact that resuming the rivalry would be detrimental for A&M. Hell, I wish we still played Baylor for similar reasons, but life isn't perfect.

quote:

He also lists BCS as where he lives and so he isn't as exposed to daily tu asshatery (is that a word?) as much as those of us out in Austin, San Antonio Dallas and Houston are.



Can't let him off the hook for that--my folks live in CStat, too, and share my sentiments
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

But you never play the sips in a vacuum, and there is no long term benefit to scheduling them.


I know, it just has sentimental value to me. I'd still want a favorable deal if we were to schedule them, but I'd be all in favor of playing again in principle. I get the impression from some Ags that pride will never again allow them to even consider scheduling Texas.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

it just has sentimental value to me. I'd still want a favorable deal if we were to schedule them, but I'd be all in favor of playing again in principle.


Same. My favorite football memory as a Corps member was t.u. 2007 (I was a non-regular taking an extra half lap for Nebraska 2010).

I just don't see how that will be possible the way cfb is currently constructed. It's a shame, but running back to an untenable arrangement just because many of us miss it is naive.

quote:

I get the impression from some Ags that pride will never again allow them to even consider scheduling Texas.


That probably is the case with some Ags. Hell, it's the case with a lot of horns right now, too.

I'm just in favor of waiting for a more even playing field from a benefits standpoint before we resume. If that never happens, again it's a shame, but so be it.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34910 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

I get the impression from some Ags that pride will never again allow them to even consider scheduling Texas


If they turn into some PAC 16 power and the table is more even then sure give them a September game. From now until the day they kill the Big 12 we need to focus on our program getting up to SEC standards, which inadvertently will close a lot of the gap in brands.
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