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Ole Miss is not going to torch us to the degree most expect and I can prove it

Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 2:42 pm
Because people keep looking at numbers and assuming he throws for 500 yards against us, I will attempt to show how silly that thinking is.

First of all, Ta’amu is not a good QB. I know many of you will find that hard to believe, but he is not. He does not go through reads well, is inaccurate on short and intermediate throws and is literally one of the worst passers under pressure in all of FBS since 2017.

He is an RPO system QB asked to make three reads almost every down: Hand off, keep or throw the fly/post route. OM generally runs multiple decoy routes with no intention of throwing to them. He puts up gaudy numbers against non-P5 defenses and in blowouts when the other team is playing soft shell coverage, but in competitive games against P5 teams his numbers show him for what he is.

Here are the stats in his career when he is on the field in a one score game against P5 teams:
54% completions
7 TDs
7 INTs
6.4 YPA

And against national top-50 defenses:
51% completions
5 TDs
7 INTs
6.1 YPA

For reference, those are worse numbers than Mond in the same situations.

Last year he went for less than 200 yards, 55% and a pick six against this exact same passing defense.

Those expecting him to go on the road in a presumably close game against a P5 opponent and throw for a billion yards and TDs have no basis whatsoever for their argument.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:02 pm to
He's averaging 360 ypg with a total of 3 TD and 1 INT in his last 3 games vs Arkansas, Auburn and South Carolina. Those 3 defenses give up less yards per pass and have lower opponent passer ratings than A&M. He may suck on Saturday, but I don't get the confidence.

We're #113 in opponent passer rating, #112 in yards per pass allowed, #122 in Interceptions, #92 in pass TDs allowed. That seems like a solid basis for expecting to a challenge from Ole Miss's passing game.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Hugh McElroy
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:03 pm to
He’ll get his, but I think we’ll win, because the Ole Miss defense sucks.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:12 pm to
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He's averaging 360 ypg with a total of 3 TD and 1 INT in his last 3 games vs Arkansas, Auburn and South Carolina. Those 3 defenses give up less yards per pass and have lower opponent passer ratings than A&M. He may suck on Saturday, but I don't get the confidence.

We're #113 in opponent passer rating, #112 in yards per pass allowed, #122 in Interceptions, #92 in pass TDs allowed. That seems like a solid basis for expecting to a challenge from Ole Miss's passing game.


Two of those teams are terrible at defending RPOs, which is a strength of our defense. And the Auburn game was non-competitive in the second half.

And again, our defense was worse last year and he played terribly against us (after throwing for 360+ yards in each of the three prior games).

It’s also unlikely they have the ball more than 20 minutes or so because they have one of the worst run defenses of all time among P5 teams in terms of opponent rush efficiency.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:18 pm to
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Two of those teams are terrible at defending RPOs, which is a strength of our defense.

What are you basing this on?
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:38 pm to
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Those expecting him to go on the road in a presumably close game against a P5 opponent and throw for a billion yards and TDs have no basis whatsoever for their argument.


How's this for an argument?

Kelly Bryant vs. A&M: 12-17-0, 205 yards, 1 TD
Kelly Bryant vs. everyone else: 24-37-1, 256 yards, 1 TD

Jake Bentley vs. A&M: 17-35-1, 223 yards, 3 TD
Jake Bentley vs. everyone else: 117-180-7, 1,443 yards, 10 TD

Nick Fitzgerald vs. A&M: 14-22-0, 241 yards, 2 TD
Nick Fitzgerald vs. everyone else: 86-175-7, 1,011 yards, 8 TD

Jarrett Stidham vs. A&M: 18-29-0, 239 yards, 2 TD
Jarrett Stidham vs. everyone else: 142-235-4, 1,714 yards, 8 TD

shite, even Kellen Mond would have a career day against our secondary. Maybe that's why he looks so good in practice...


Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:38 pm to
We specifically scheme to take away the run component of the RPO (both the give and QB keep). Both Elko and Fisher value stopping the run above all else on defense. We use a safety or nickel to keep their eyes on the QB and take the keep away and our ends crash down into the B gaps on non-obvious passing downs to stop the handoff. It’s why our sack numbers are much lower and why we generally don’t have a lot of safety help over the top.

Once you take away the run threat in an RPO scheme, you corner the offense into either running into a wall over and over or making them one dimensional. Against more complex RPO schemes with good QBs you can still get beat, but in simplistic one or two route read schemes like OMs it’s easy to identify pre snap where the read routes are and you simply shade deep and inside and force the QB to hold the ball or make the most difficult throw in football over and over (the outside shoulder sideline throw). Most college QBs can’t do that and Ta’amu definitely cannot consistently.

Where they get teams is when the run read is there and they can beat you hat on a hat in the box, which results in wide open fly and post reads when the DBs get caught looking. If you scheme for it and your front 7 can take care of the run component with only a single edge defender watching the keep, you can force their hand and their route scheme isn’t complex enough to consistently beat teams.

Now I know what your thinking: But our corners suck. That is true, but doesn’t matter much when most passes are low percentage throws that most often end up being uncatchable. Any DB at any level can shade a fly route when they know it’s coming.

It’s interesting, if you watch the film against some teams you can actually see the DBs pointing to receivers pre snap most plays. That’s them calling the primary and secondary pass reads which will almost always be fly or post routes and in shorter yardage slant routes. OM has a remarkably simplistic scheme and they run the same plays from the same formations every week. They’re predictable, and teams with front 7 talent that scheme for it have consistent success.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:38 pm to
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How's this for an argument?


Remarkably poor given we’re not discussing any of those teams or QBs.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:39 pm to
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Last year he went for less than 200 yards, 55% and a pick six against this exact same passing defense.


This exact same passing defense?

I seem to remember a player who had 10 TFL, 4 INT, 2 FF and 2 FR in 2017 that is NOT in our secondary this season.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:47 pm to
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This exact same passing defense?

I seem to remember a player who had 10 TFL, 4 INT, 2 FF and 2 FR in 2017 that is NOT in our secondary this season.


Watts only had 2 tackles and played 27 snaps against OM last year due a sore ankle and we were limiting his reps.

But the corners were exactly the same which is really the only thing that matters in this discussion relative to what OM does. They essentially try and run their receivers by corners who are looking at the rear eye candy.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:51 pm to
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Once you take away the run threat in an RPO scheme, you corner the offense into either running into a wall over and over or making them one dimensional. 

We did a good job shutting down the run vs Clemson and Miss St, two RPO offenses, and both teams averaged 11 ypa passing against our defense.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 3:58 pm to
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We did a good job shutting down the run vs Clemson and Miss St, two RPO offenses, and both teams averaged 11 ypa passing against our defense.


Clemson runs more old fashioned play action than RPO, especially with Lawrence. His long TD against us was pure play action, not a read (as an example). And besides, their passing tree is far more complex. It’s why the game Bama fits with Watson, they ran NFL level route combinations and Watsoncoukd make all the throws. Ole Miss runs an offense similar to what a lot of 6A Texas high schools run, where each play is either a handoff, keep or a pass to a single read with a checkdown.

Mississippi State runs a slightly different scheme with more pre-determined runs with only a give or keep option. Their passing against us was simply an anomaly, chuck throws and one improvisation that just worked out. Our corners also weren’t playing exclusively pass read like they should be against OM because State runs a lot less true run/pass read. What they did isn’t reproducible consistently especially on the road. I know people want to be all “well it is against our secondary” but that’s simply emotion.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
2983 posts
Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:07 pm to
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I know people want to be all “well it is against our secondary” but that’s simply emotion.


Again, our pass defense ranks:

#113 in passer rating
#112 in yards per pass
#122 in Interceptions
#92 in pass TDs allowed

What does any of that have to do with emotion?
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:13 pm to
Yeah if nothing else I think our TOP limits their possessions. I just hope we’re scoring tds and not kicking field goals at the end of our drives.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:14 pm to
The way Mond is playing, he will make Ole Miss' defense look good.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:19 pm to
If Mond is the QB we will be kicking FGs and not scoring TDS which will end in yet another loss to a school from Mississippi. (Which according to the majority of this board during Sumlin’s tenure is unforgivable )
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:26 pm to
Ehh, I don’t know. Ole miss is really bad at defense. I’m hoping/feeling like we will be able to run the ball at will leading to tds. I do think losing to Mississippi schools is unforgivable, and if jimbo is doing that after he has a couple of his classes in I won’t be happy....but we better win next weekend at home. We are the better team...and I think we will.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:28 pm to
quote:


Again, our pass defense ranks:

#113 in passer rating
#112 in yards per pass
#122 in Interceptions
#92 in pass TDs allowed


They weren’t much better last year, and the only reason they were better at all is because teams could also run at will on us. Ta’amu was stillbad against us because the scheme is easy to defend.

quote:

What does any of that have to do with emotion?


Because it ignores matchups and schemes and essentially comes from frustration over past failures in distinctly different situations.

It’s like saying a team that struggles against the triple option will automatically struggle against the power-I because they gave up a bunch of rushing yards.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

I’m hoping/feeling like we will be able to run the ball at will leading to tds.


We were running the ball at will against Auburn.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 4:31 pm to
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If Mond is the QB we will be kicking FGs and not scoring TDS which will end in yet another loss to a school from Mississippi. (Which according to the majority of this board during Sumlin’s tenure is unforgivable )


Again, Ole Miss hasn’t stopped anyone in two years.

And I’ve said since we hired Fisher that every loss in 2018 and 2019 is on Sumlin and his lazy recruiting in 2016 and 2017.
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