re: Lets Talk Politics

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Trump has donated to the Clintons. That is all that needs to be said.

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Any big time biz owner w/half a brain donates to both sides.

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Does that make me a liar?

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In the context that McConnell is called a lying bitch, unfortunately yes (by the populus).

Listen, I get the legislative dealing process. There are so many moving parts and so many variables on a lot of different planes that go into the entire legislative process. I don't think McConnell is a lying bitch nor would I likely think the man you described is either (although I have zero information to base this on).

I don't really think politicians are actually "bad" people, as arbitrary as that terminology is. I myself don't, nor do I think anyone, has a steadfast system for determining if somebody is a "bad" person. I think Ted Cruz is a pompous a-hole that has no business affecting the legislative or executive process of the United States. I mean frick, Ted Kennedy killed a mother fricker. However, he was an amazing politician. One of the best the Senate has ever seen. He knew how to compromise and work with the other party brilliantly, and he also knew how to bully his own party in line when the time called for it.

I guess my point in this rambling incoherence is that anybody that has a rational mind and a career in politics will at some point or another be labeled a "lying bitch". It's when you get some of the other types of people that will not compromise on any issues whatsoever that are the most dangerous (e.g. some of the [current and former] tea party members in the house). It's just kind of the nature of the business, with power also comes criticism.

If you either 1) can't compromise on issues or 2) play chicken with the most glaring advantage the United States has in the global economy, then I do not believe you should have any say in the legislative, executive, or judicial process of the federal government.

Cruz did both.

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Good for him as a biz owner. Now he wants to be president. A relationship with the family you're running against is not a favorable thing.

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thats a pretty ridiculous stance to take

big biz donates to both sides b/c it wants influence w/both sides

the entire idea that you have to be 100% conservative on everything all the time to deserve the Repub nomination is an idiotic bar to set anyway and is exactly why Obama was able to win twice.

You absolutely have to appeal the majority of the country which is in the middle and Repubs will continue to lose the Presidency if they keep up this RINO hysteria BS.

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McCain and Romney were about as centered as you can get. The base stayed home. Romney won independents and still lost easily. The voting #s don't lie.

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I didn't say independents. I said the majority of the country which is in the middle. Winning moderates who make up the bulk of both sides is the true key to winning an election.

You have to win votes from the opposing parties moderates to win and when you create a line so far right that your moderates can no longer act like true moderates you flat out aren't going win.

boiling it down to the basics

McCain killed his shot with moderates when he freaked out and tried to appeal to the base with Palin.

Romney screwed himself by being forced to argue against a healthcare plan that was essentially the same as what he did in Mass and by saying idiotic shite like corporations are people.

You ain't gonna win the moderate majority doing shite like that. It doesn't help that for whatever reason the right insists on calling Obama the most liberal President ever when that absolutely isn't true or that we have frickwads like Mitch McConnell saying the the number one goal of the party is the make Obama a one term President instead of saying their goal is to work w/him to get the country back on track.

They have done nothing to earn back the public's faith after they sold the Iraq war on horseshite intelligence and the pathetic "Why do you hate America and side with terrorists" attitude they held towards anyone who opposed going into Iraq. shite, that scare tactic is what caused Hillary to cave and vote for the war and that vote directly led to Obama beating her in the Dem primary.


The reason Trump even has any appeal instead of being dismissed like a side show is he openly thumbs his nose at the litmus test and correctly proclaims he doesnt have time for that shite. He isn't just talking about liberal talking points when he talks about his disdain for PC culture. He is also taking dead aim at the conservative PC police as well.

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The GOP isn't winning a presidency until they can bring the base in in big #s which is going to be a real conservative.

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The one upside to the Republicans nominating Cruz or Carson would be the death of this meme forever

EDIT: Like, there were points at which both McCain and Romney led in the polls. Clinton-Cruz would be a wire-to-wire thrashing.

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Clinton-Cruz would be a wire-to-wire thrashing.

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I agree. Cruz would win in a landslide. Hillary won't even get the dem nom though.

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In Aug before McCain named Palin, he was down in 15 of 17 polls including one as high as 9 points. From when he named Palin and the following 2 weeks he tied or lead in 11 of 20 polls. One showed he was up 10 points in likely votes. Polls show Palin was a boost for him.

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But in the only poll that counts he lost by 7 points. So she didn't actually make them turn out in the end. I don't get how this proves your point

Ok y'all gonna laugh at me, but the more I hear Trump talk policy the more I actually like him as a candidate. He comes off as practical in comparison, which probably says something about US politics.

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Until the far right realizes that they are a minority,the GOP won't win because the far right acts like spoiled kids when they don't get everything they want.

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But this is EXACTLY how the Dems conduct business, and they ram through their policies while the GOPers are falling all over themselves to compromise.

The "compromises" brokered by the GOP leadership aren't compromises at all. It's 80% of what the "far left" wants, 20% of what the mushy middle wants, and 0% of what the spending restraint/small government "far right" wants.

Cruz is no more "extreme" than is Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders.