re: Lets Talk Politics

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The decision in Roe/Casey stands only so long as there are 5 votes in support on the court. A conservative replacement of Scalia, and one more conservative replacement of someone like Ginsburg, and that can change.

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It could, but it won't. Not with John Roberts as Chief Justice, he is big on avoiding these sorts of cases that undo major precedents. Citizens United was a big exception and he disliked the fallout from that. Heck I wouldn't even count on him being on the conservative side of that vote going forward.

And even in the rare case he changes his mind or he is not longer steering the ship, that only applies to the Presidential Election (aka the person who can nominate justices). Yet we see year after year non-Presidential candidates running on either pro- or -anti abortion agendas even though they will barely have any say in how that issue plays out. It seems asinine to me.

I'm not attacking you Roger, please don't take it as such. But the point you used reagrding a fetus not being human since it cannot survive on its own just doesn't hold water. My aunt needs a pacemaker to live, is she less human? My mother needs chemo to stay alive, is she less human? A toddler dies without an adult to care for it, is it less human?

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Why is porn legal but not prostitution?

We aren't a logical species.

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Indeed.

And that porn/prostitution thing really bothers me. We make SUCH a big to-do over age of consent/consensual sex between consenting adults, but draw the line when money changes hands for the act? While making a living doing porn is perfectly legal?

Dafuq?

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Quickening makes the most sense, at least until we know more about the neurological basis of consciousness.

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It's tricky to try to describe some position as "making the most sense", because one has to question what determines the sensibility. If "humanity", or "personhood", is a moral designation, and not a scientific classification, then how can one moral framework make more sense than another?

I mean, we (nearly) all agree that all humans who have been born are persons with legal rights and moral standing. But that wasn't always the case in the U.S., and isn't universally the case world-wide even today.

As for using quickening as the standard, I'm not sure there would be a large portion of activists on either side who would support that. Pro-lifers would consider it too late by far, and pro-choicers would consider it too early by far.

My personal stance is that the individual begins at conception, so that's where I draw the line. But as far as public policy is concerned, the only solution that I think would ultimately satisfy most is for Roe/Casey to be reversed, and the decision returned to the states.

We already know that we disagree on the cause and cure for those traits

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It's not an issue of value, it's an issue of viability. Yes, such adults are less viable and in a physiologic sense less "human" than you and me. I would argue someone who is permanently dependent on life support and people in persistant vegitativd states are no longer "human" in a practical sense. Losing the ability to utilize the frontal lobe is a pretty significant cutoff.

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But the individual in the PVS is much less "viable" than a typical fetus, in that the "prognosis" for the fetus is far better.

That's actually pretty good.

That chart

I've actually described my economic views as free market Darwinism before, though I do believe in some regulations pertaining to monopolies and several other issues.

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Which is why Klarvin needs Jesus.

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Dammit Klarvin! Mow your own damn lawn!

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Poor minority women tend to be pressured into it. I've seen it first hand sadly. It is often presented as their only choice. And 70% of PP clinics are located in areas where blacks make up the largest single group.

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The biggest advocates in the early days (Margaret Sanger for example) were outright racist eugenicists who advocated for abortion as a way to get rid of black people. It's got a really, really dark, disturbing, sick history. If they taught that in school people would have a MUCH different opinion.