re: Lay your cards down here regarding Sumlin, Spav and Kyler

I'm honestly not sure what went down or what promises were made if any.

I know I don't trust Kevin Murray. But JFF's dad was just as needy and unscrupulous. It's part of the game dealing with stars and Sumlin has been there before. He should know how to handle that kind of talent.

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Thank god he was restricted from the media in his heisman campaign.

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that's asinine. nothing he ever said in front of the media while at A&M hurt his character. off the field stuff? yes absolutely. but we didn't hear his voice till after the last regular season game in 2013 and he came off like a rockstar.

I've been a big Sumlin advocate but he's lost me. At this point a good OC hire, and 10 wins next year may not even fix it.

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I know I don't trust Kevin Murray. But JFF's dad was just as needy and unscrupulous.

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The difference is JFF was a three star whose best offer in state was us, while Murray had way more leverage.

There is no doubt in my mind Kyler would not have come if he would have been forced to redshirt. Deep down I hoped that his playtime and him losing a game we shouldn't have lost would have humbled him a little. Too bad it didn't play out that way.

1) whether he wants to stay or leave, it's probably better if he does. Kid is spoiled and if it's already crossed his mind then might as well let him. Stephen McGee had a great quote in the eagle today "Quite frankly as an Aggie fan, I don't want a quarterback leading my football program that doesn't want to be here. If there is a guy that's thinking about transferring, I'd walk him to the front door and say get out if you don't want to be here. I don't want to beg anyone to put on a maroon and white jersey. It is a privilege to put on a Texas A&M jersey. This school does not need any one player".

2) it's hard to build a championship program if you don't have stability. Firing your coaches every 4 or 5 years is not building stability. That being said, I also started having my doubts about Sumlin after 59-0 last year. Good coaches get blown out sometimes, but not ran out of a stadium like that. Player development across their years here has been very low. All of that being said, he gets 2016 and needs to win a minimum of 8 games and look competitive in losses. While 8-4 is the same as this year, that can be progress if we have close losses and actually look improved as the season goes on. The price of oil is too low to fire him this year anyways and if it stays down it might make it hard to fire him after next year too.

3) spavital needs to be gone. I think he would make a great recruiting coordinator, he has brought lots of talent to this school, but obviously cannot develop it. He's not a good qb coach and certainly not an OC. He was not ready for this job and it was sumlin's mistake in hiring him.

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1) whether he wants to stay or leave, it's probably better if he does. Kid is spoiled and if it's already crossed his mind then might as well let him. Stephen McGee had a great quote in the eagle today "Quite frankly as an Aggie fan, I don't want a quarterback leading my football program that doesn't want to be here. If there is a guy that's thinking about transferring, I'd walk him to the front door and say get out if you don't want to be here. I don't want to beg anyone to put on a maroon and white jersey. It is a privilege to put on a Texas A&M jersey. This school does not need any one player".

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ALL. OF. THIS.

To me it seemed clear from day 1 of fall practices that at the end of this season one of the two QBs would transfer. We haven't been able to convince a talented QB to ride the bench in years so one of them was going to leave, and the whole season was all about finding out which one should stay.

It also seems very obvious that if the QB competition for the bowl thing was real then at the end of the season Sumlin wanted Kyler to be the one to stay. And on that point I would agree with Sumlin. Kyle wasn't hurt for Bama I don't think, nor was he obviously hurt for LSU and we couldn't win either game. Kyle was the experienced QB with a year in the system, if he was going to lead us to the promise land the march would have started this year vs Bama. Instead he failed, and we got a clear picture of Kyle's ceiling at A&M.

Kyler wasn't perfect either, he has a LOT of growing up to do both physically and mentally. But I think we saw glimpses of Kyler's ceiling and it is much higher in the college game and in our system. He need to get stronger, he needs to make better decisions, be needs to be more in rhythm with some WR that isn't a pothead. All of that could come with time in the system.

I think Kyle was a great team player and I wish him the best. In another system, like Bama's or an NFL team, he could very well excel. In a system with poor OL play and poor RB play he doesn't have enough raw talent on his own to move the chains. Nothing wrong with that, time for Kyler to try his hand at being the leader if he is willing to stick around to do that.

The bad part is that Sumlin might have to be an a-hole to get Kyler to stay (aka bar him from transferring to a team he wants to go to) which means this year's poison carries into next year even though the situation is resolved.

The only think I will say for sure is that we have 2 years of evidence against Spavital. He has to go

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It also seems very obvious that if the QB competition for the bowl thing was real then at the end of the season Sumlin wanted Kyler to be the one to stay. And on that point I would agree with Sumlin. Kyle wasn't hurt for Bama I don't think, nor was he obviously hurt for LSU and we couldn't win either game. Kyle was the experienced QB with a year in the system, if he was going to lead us to the promise land the march would have started this year vs Bama. Instead he failed, and we got a clear picture of Kyle's ceiling at A&M. Kyler wasn't perfect either, he has a LOT of growing up to do both physically and mentally. But I think we saw glimpses of Kyler's ceiling and it is much higher in the college game and in our system. He need to get stronger, he needs to make better decisions, be needs to be more in rhythm with some WR that isn't a pothead. All of that could come with time in the system.

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I guess this is where we disagree. I blame the struggles for Allen on our "system" and poor OL play. I would take him every time over Murray if I had to choose between the two. I don't really know what glimpses of potential we saw in him unless running all over an atrocious SC D counts. He has a ton of work to do to become the type of thrower that can keep top SEC defenses honest and he's too small. He also didn't show the type of improv skills I had hoped for. Our shite offense and OL certainly didn't help him either but he managed to look worse than a healthy Allen

Both QBs would be learning a new system next year anyways so I'm not sure experience in Spav's offense matters that much. I just know I would take Allen over Murray. Comparing them really isn't important now though since Allen is gone

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The bad part is that Sumlin might have to be an a-hole to get Kyler to stay (aka bar him from transferring to a team he wants to go to) which means this year's poison carries into next year even though the situation is resolved.

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I think this is the absolute worst thing we could do at this point. I guess you can block him from a transfer to schools we play, but if he wants to go to Texas let him go. Who gives a shite. Forcing him to stay will only make the situation more untenable and toxic in the locker room.