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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The difference is that Nick Saban puts that aside and treats every recruit like they are the greatest thing he has ever laid eyes upon. Sumlin walks into a room and expects recruits to just fall over themselves trying to sign with him.
You know this b/c.... how again?
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The prevailing story from coaches, recruits, parents and reporters regarding both.
our players and coaches fricking love Sumlin. Hell look at Daylon Mack's interview today. Most of his former players love Saban as well. In both cases, they don't make much time for reporters and see them as necessary evils. So I'm not really sure what prevailing stories you mean
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Saban's ability to make recruits feel like the most important person in the world is arguably his most famous coaching trait.
That's not why he's a successful recruiter. He works hard. He has a plan. And he talks to people in a way that they perceive to be very honest. Pretty much exactly like Sumlin as their personalities are very similar. You can watch any interview with any of our recruits and they all say, Sumlin was always up front and honest with me.
The difference is you expect Sumlin to win MNC in his 3rd season while Saban spent 10 years as a P5 coach before getting one. He wasn't recruiting nearly as well as Sumlin is at that point in his career. Sitting on 4 MNCs, a massive staff and budget, and recruiting at the most tradition rich school in college football, he's a machine, no doubt. But you're fooling yourself here if you think Sumlin doesn't connect with recruits or make them feel important. He's one of the very very best
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:08 pm to Asian Sensation
Just a side note on the Bussey recruitment... I watched his interview on NOLA.com, and one of the issues with UTk was oversigning. Neither the reporter nor Bussey went into detail, but oversigning was cited as an issue.
I don't really care how or why we got him. I'm just damn glad we did.
I don't really care how or why we got him. I'm just damn glad we did.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:14 pm to Asian Sensation
Thanks for posting that Asian Sensation. You da real MVP
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:18 pm to Balls_Deep
No problem. Don't know how accurate it is, but it's an interesting read at least.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:20 pm to tmc94
Agree with Tmc.
Biggest difference between Sumlin vs Saban isn't personality or some magic words he whispers that Sumlin refuses to say.
It's A&M vs Bama
Everyone that matters loves Sumlin. He's made mistakes and now Sumlin must prove it on the field like Saban did.
Biggest difference between Sumlin vs Saban isn't personality or some magic words he whispers that Sumlin refuses to say.
It's A&M vs Bama
Everyone that matters loves Sumlin. He's made mistakes and now Sumlin must prove it on the field like Saban did.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:22 pm to Balls_Deep
Not that I know anything, JMHO, but I don't think Sumlin and/or his staff know how to recruit in the SEC. Ignoring players for weeks at a time don't cut it when recruiting against Bama and LSU. I know Sumlin and his recruiting coordinator cut their teeth in the Big 12, but you ain't gonna out recruit Saban and Miles with that weak shite.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:24 pm to tmc94
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The difference is you expect Sumlin to win MNC in his 3rd season while Saban spent 10 years as a P5 coach before getting one. He wasn't recruiting nearly as well as Sumlin is at that point in his career. Sitting on 4 MNCs, a massive staff and budget, and recruiting at the most tradition rich school in college football, he's a machine, no doubt. But you're fooling yourself here if you think Sumlin doesn't connect with recruits or make them feel important. He's one of the very very best
Every. Word. Of. This.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:24 pm to Asian Sensation
Very interesting rumors. It's on Sumlin to replace them if that's remotely true. He can't afford to make any more mistakes on the coaching staff.
It makes you wonder, who is Sumlin going to for advice on these decisions?
It makes you wonder, who is Sumlin going to for advice on these decisions?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:24 pm to tmc94
I think you underestimate just how good Bama recruits. He is on the greatest recruiting run in college football history. Even Miami and USC at the height of their dominance never recruited this well this consistently.
To put things in perspective, they have landed more 5 stars in the last four years than all but seven programs have EVER signed going back to 2002 when such things began.
This is much more than Bama being Bama or just recruiting well because you win a lot. This is a different level than anything anyone has ever seen before, and it has a lot to do with the magic Saban works with these players egos. He panders and does whatever he needs to.
To put things in perspective, they have landed more 5 stars in the last four years than all but seven programs have EVER signed going back to 2002 when such things began.
This is much more than Bama being Bama or just recruiting well because you win a lot. This is a different level than anything anyone has ever seen before, and it has a lot to do with the magic Saban works with these players egos. He panders and does whatever he needs to.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
Was a good NSD. I'll be back maybe by fall football. Thanks guys.
While we are on the subject I'll leave this one here. It is kind of long but on topic.:
Saban recruiting
While we are on the subject I'll leave this one here. It is kind of long but on topic.:
Saban recruiting
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:31 pm to prisonpunk
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Not that I know anything, JMHO, but I don't think Sumlin and/or his staff know how to recruit in the SEC. Ignoring players for weeks at a time don't cut it when recruiting against Bama and LSU. I know Sumlin and his recruiting coordinator cut their teeth in the Big 12, but you ain't gonna out recruit Saban and Miles with that weak shite.
It's puzzling. Sumlin's hired great guys on his staff that worked hard in every way like Beaty, Polian, Kliff.......with Chavis and Sumlin as the foundation of the staff, we need 8 dogs surrounding them that can coach and recruit at a high level. If you can't social media or be on these kids all the time then GTFO
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:34 pm to slacker00
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
You're acting like Saban has a hard job when it comes to recruiting for Alabama.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:39 pm to Mars United
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You're acting like Saban has a hard job when it comes to recruiting for Alabama.
Not to speak for RK, but I think he's saying that the confluence of Saban being a great recruiter + having the Bama pedigree and now the titles to back it up is why he cleans up in recruiting every year, and that it's not really fair to compare Sumlin to Saban at this point in time.
All things equal, however, Sumlin is more than holding his own, and is ahead of where even Saban was at this point as a HC.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:51 pm to prisonpunk
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Not that I know anything, JMHO, but I don't think Sumlin and/or his staff know how to recruit in the SEC. Ignoring players for weeks at a time don't cut it when recruiting against Bama and LSU. I know Sumlin and his recruiting coordinator cut their teeth in the Big 12, but you ain't gonna out recruit Saban and Miles with that weak shite.
I don't even... This is approaching sip levels of entitlement man. We were a damn afterthought nationally for the last 10-12 years before Sumlin got here. Y'all really expect him to be able to out recruit Saban and Miles already? The dude is laying a foundation at a rate far faster than any of us should have expected. Damn near everyone thought we'd be a joke in the SEC, Sumlin's offense would get rocked, and we'd be years away from fielding anything better than 4-8 to 6-6 type teams.
Yet since he has been here he has more wins and better recruiting classes than anything we've had in a 3 year span since the early 90s.
I mean shite... Do some of y'all even realize that our golden god Jackie Sherrill was 5-6, 5-5-1, and 6-5 his first three seasons in Aggieland? Hell, I'd argue that JS had a much easier road following Bellard and Wilson in the SWC than KS has had following Fran and Sherman while also having to join the SEC.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Lol both sides are right.
We should have been a lock for a top 10 class this year. No doubt. We screwed the pooch on several recruitments.
That being said we still have a great class. Anytime you land 3 five star recruits who are as highly regarded as those guys are, you're doing something right.
This should have been the year to truly take a stranglehold on Texas recruiting but it just didnt happen for many reasons (Bama loss, Strongs first class, roller coaster season) We have a chance again next year too though. I will admit we are running out of time to truly take over as a unstoppable force that we have the ability of becoming but with a highly favorable schedule, great recruiting and the Chief now on our side, don't be surprised when we have a top 3 class and win at least 10 games next year. A sleeping giant is just being woke up guys. These first couple years were just us wiping the crustys out of our eyes. The best is yet to come. That you can count on
We should have been a lock for a top 10 class this year. No doubt. We screwed the pooch on several recruitments.
That being said we still have a great class. Anytime you land 3 five star recruits who are as highly regarded as those guys are, you're doing something right.
This should have been the year to truly take a stranglehold on Texas recruiting but it just didnt happen for many reasons (Bama loss, Strongs first class, roller coaster season) We have a chance again next year too though. I will admit we are running out of time to truly take over as a unstoppable force that we have the ability of becoming but with a highly favorable schedule, great recruiting and the Chief now on our side, don't be surprised when we have a top 3 class and win at least 10 games next year. A sleeping giant is just being woke up guys. These first couple years were just us wiping the crustys out of our eyes. The best is yet to come. That you can count on
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:55 pm to Dr RC
The problem is fans today (not just ours, of course) have zero patience. The homerun hire who wins a natty in the first 3-4 years is such an infinitesimal chance, you might as well wait to get struck by lightning.
If you can't see that Sumlin is building something remarkable incredibly quickly against some pretty salty odds, I don't know what to tell you. And that's not even me being a Sumlin homer--that's being objective.
If you can't see that Sumlin is building something remarkable incredibly quickly against some pretty salty odds, I don't know what to tell you. And that's not even me being a Sumlin homer--that's being objective.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:56 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I think you underestimate just how good Bama recruits
the leap from not measuring up to the best in the history of the sport to he doesn't connect with people is grand canyonesque
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